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Article #45Re: *Some* Southerners Are STOOPID (WAS Battle flag
From: Dave Simpson
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:39
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:39
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Dave Simpson wrote: >>Whoa! Not the preamble -- article I, section 8 -- "provide for the >>general welfare." Perhaps it's you who are ignorant of the constitution. > >There you go again with your errors. The "general welfare" clause >is a qualification of the power to tax, which is the power granted to >the federal government in Article 1, Section 8. Those who wrote the >Constitution knew it, and even made it plain for all in the Federalist >Papers -- it is no general grant of power. Those who claim it is such >a grant are ignorant or liars and they flunk Constitutionality 101; the >"general welfare" clause and the "commerce clause" obviously can't >be misused as you believe they can. That's among the easiest of >bogus claims to annihilate. Madison lays it to rest if you're unable to face hearing it from me. (Note that back then, the critics -- wisely -- feared the central government would grow too big and assume too much power. Those like Parker have helped to prove the wisdom that the Anti-Federalists possessed, with his distressful absurdities [to paraphrase Madison].) Madison: .................................................................................................................. Some, who have not denied the necessity of the power of taxation, have grounded a very fierce attack against the Constitution, on the language in which it is defined. It has been urged and echoed, that the power "to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States," amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defence or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these writers labor for objections, than their stooping to such a misconstruction. Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury; or even to regulate the course of descents, or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms "to raise money for the general welfare." But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? If the different parts of the same instrument ought to be so expounded, as to give meaning to every part which will bear it, shall one part of the same sentence be excluded altogether from a share in the meaning; and shall the more doubtful and indefinite terms be retained in their full extent, and the clear and precise expressions be denied by signification whatsoever? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power? Nothing is more natural nor common than first to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a recital of particulars. But the idea of an enumeration of particulars which neither explain nor qualify the general meaning, and can have no other effect than to confound and mislead, is an absurdity, which, as we are reduced to the dilemma of charging either on the authors of the objection or on the authors of the Constitution, we must take the liberty of supposing, had not its origin with the latter. ...................................................................................................................... Dave Simpson
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 10e1e4,b0c08251f4866110 X-Google-Attributes: gid10e1e4,public X-Google-Thread: fa3bd,f368b316dcecd516 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa3bd,public X-Google-Thread: fc709,b0c08251f4866110 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc709,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-06-14 13:40:27 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: stl.general,atl.general,alt.radio.talk.dr-laura From: Dave Simpson <nospam@newsranger.com> References: <3B1D9A58.99A5C476@NuKeSpaM.ROCK> <slrn9i57ce.nj3.kt-alt@pug1.sprocketshop.com> <LUZU6.3434$pb1.129299@www.newsranger.com> <fToV6.5152$pb1.196753@www.newsranger.com> <9g5l0j$fof$1@paladin.cc.emory.edu> <MnuV6.5700$pb1.221761@www.newsranger.comOrganization: Emory University <9gb1na$d47$1@paladin.cc.emory.edu> <d59W6.8850$pb1.338326@www.newsranger.com> Subject: Re: *Some* Southerners Are STOOPID (WAS Battle flag Lines: 70 Message-ID: <bi9W6.8880$pb1.339672@www.newsranger.com> X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:39:35 EDT Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:39:35 GMT