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woodward@luna.ec.usf.edu. (Chris Woodward (PSY)) writes:

>In article <Pine.OSF.3.91a.941121133309.20655K-100000@christa.unh.edu> "The Black \"Ken-ight\"" <wkl@christa.unh.edu> writes:
>>

>>There is a Just God.  That you don't believe in Him shows.

>Shows what?

Okay, ... "is shown."  Are you happy now?

>>     I bet that Reagan and John Paul II will never retract their 
>>positions, and even on their deathbeds will not recant their positions, 
>>even if they were offered the opportunity to retroactively allow the 
>>research -- even if they were guaranteed that they would be cured from 
>>their selling out their beliefs.

>I bet Reagan can barely *remember* his beliefs, let alone retract
>them.  As for John Paul II, at least he comes by his honestly.

Is this a sick joke, or one of the long-running jokes about President 
Reagan's memorry?
     No matter, I think that both men are completely sincere in their 
beliefs.  I don't know either personally, but I am a fairly good judge of 
character at times, and I'm usually good at sniffing out the opportunists 
and hypocrites in politics.  (Refer to my next paragraph.)

>>     Of course, the price would just be their souls, ......

>What's the going price for a soul these days?  Majority leadership
>in Congress?

Oh, that's been an accepted price for a while now.  You can get a 
Speakership for just about any ol' soul.  It's been more or less routine 
for it to be bought thusly for the past few terms, I think.


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>>     We call that integrity, faith, and loyalty to principle.  It's 
>>admirable and honorable.  Regrettably, they are going to be made 
>>martyrs.  But we won't betray their cause just because they are lost to us.

>Or obstinance, stubbornness, and refusal to open one's mind...
>[ Chris Woodard, M.A.                                         ]
>[ "Open-mindedness is not synonymous with blind gullibility." ]

Aha, in one point you defend open-mindedness quite rightly, but above it 
you said that if these two would open their minds, they'd agree with 
you.  Perhaps you are being obstinate, stubborn, and refusing to open 
your mind, my dear friend.
     I speculate only.  Perhaps you have known the men in question and 
happen to know that they didn't consider the issues before they decided 
on their positions.  I don't know either of them.  And I'm not going to 
join in your criticism.

--Ken