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"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message 
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> Randy Cox wrote:
>> "Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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>>
  He got out of the
>> business because the green carders with illegal assistants priced him 
>> out.
>> The green card is fair competition; the illegals are not!  They are 
>> illegal.
>
> Instead of just throwing up his hands and surrendering like a Frenchman - 
> he should have gone after the criminals... unless he was committing his 
> own set of crimes.

He made a free market move.  He couldn't compete so he moved to another area 
of production.   "...going after the criminals" would have required 
political capital.  That is not free market.  That is very NEOCON!  I guess 
he wasn't a neocon.
>
> The police department would have been delighted to get publicity over a 
> bust of organized crime.  All you gotta do is drop a couple of dimes - one 
> to the cops, the other to the local Fox affiliate.

Give me a break!  Illegals working for contractors sweep the floors of the 
police station.
Just today there is news of Houston beginning to enforce these things on a 
local level but years ago...it did not happen.

I had a cousin-in-law that had an illegal hit and run his pickup.  He chased 
'em down, forced them off the road, and made a "citizen's arrest".  He took 
the driver to the police.  They let the illegal go and told my cousin-in-law 
he was lucky they didn't arrest him for kidnapping.
>
>
> So, how did the local cops, INS and news stations react when you call 
> them?

I guess by now, you've figured out I didn't call them.  I've called years 
before; they told me they appreciated my concern...and they did nothing. 
This is Texas!

> So, how did the local cops, INS and news stations react when you called 
> them?

You ask smug and naive questions as if I have no brain.  Remember I told you 
the guy that told me this whispered.  The news media would have wanted to 
interview people who had other than hearsay information.  None of those guys 
would have talked.  The injured guy might have, but you and I know they 
didn't really call INS.  He just found his way to a hospital and got fixed. 
The cost of his medical care gets tacked on the end of the so-called free 
market system we have that charges $36 for an asprin and $75 for a minimum 
wage orderly to stick an electronic thermometer behind my ear for an 87 
degree reading until I put the damn thing in my ear where it belongs.
>
>
>> Outside the law is outside the law!  I say fix the broken
>> illegals........then ask them who their last employer.  Fine that 
>> employer
>> the full medical expense plus $10,000.
>
> That's a good idea - just like it was a good idea when we outlawed such 
> behaviour many, many years ago.
> All you gotta do is call the local cops, INS and news stations?

You know they don't respond.  A few local police departments are beginning 
to respond but this is all brand new.

>>>The solution, of course, is not to pass new laws making it harder for 
>>>them
>>>to get here.

>>>The solution is to make it easier for them to get here legally.

Close the border first.  That means having gates through which we know who 
is coming.  Since we allow very few in legally, I'm not totally against 
increasing the numbers, but not to the numbers I think you would want.  You 
seem to think there are jobs only they will do.  I don't believe that for a 
moment.

So many showed up in New Orleans, we might have to change the name of 
Bourbon Street to Tecialla

>>
>> If you want to vote to make it easier to get here legally, you have a 
>> vote,
>> I have a vote.  I believe in democracy even when I'm outvoted.  If you 
>> want
>> to allow them to come illegally, then I'm against that with one vote plus 
>> an insistence on following our law.
>
> Allow them to come illegally?
> That's a contradiction of terms.
> They are not allowed to come illegally.
> It's just that folks like you and I don't call the cops on 'em.
Call it what you will; I call it allowing them to come illegally.
>
> I don't call the cops because I actually appreciate what they go through 
> to come here.
> Why don't you call the cops?

For the same reason I don't spit in the wind!

>
>
>> Well, there should be some allowed to come, but not as many as are here.
>
> And there it is.
> It's not just that you're opposed to *criminal* immigration.
> You want to limit legal immigration as well.

There will always be anarchists.  I believe in limited government 
myself...but I believe in a few laws and strict enforcment of them.  You 
seem to prefer anarchy and lawlessness to law and order.  Don't try to turn 
my statement into a cry for fascism either.  I want to close the border, 
then agree collectively on a number to allow in our country.  Be the number 
what it may be.  I understand Marx's pendulum, so at first it will be 
overtight and then loosened up.  I just want the border closed.

>
> It always takes a paragraph or few before you anti-Mexican types admit 
> your bigotry this well.. but you always end up in the same place.

You don't know what your are talking about, but you think you do.  Did you 
notice I didn't use the word Mexican ...but greencard...and illegal.  That's 
because these people come from all over Central and South America.  To call 
them Mexicans is a cultural  ignorance.
>
>
>
>
>> They don't "steal" jobs but they do take jobs.  Illegal workforce in not
>> free market force....it is illegal.  It violates safety laws, labor laws,
>> all kinds of laws.
>
> Yup - which is why we don't need any more laws.
> We just need folks like you to grow a backbone and report the crimes when 
> you see them.

When the police show an inclination to  pay any attention, I'll do that.  I 
don't believe in leaving the American flag laying on the side of the road. 
After 9-11 and the sudden appearance of super patriots, I started picking up 
the discarded flags and burning them as is the proper way to retire them. 
There were too many.  Now I pick up those at my feet, but I can't stop the 
car everytime I see one.   Same thing with illegals.  I don't want to harm 
these people personally that come here to earn a few dollars.  I know these 
people, I work with them.  Even when they become citizens they plan to 
return to their old country to retire and live like kings.  I admire that, 
and I don't want to hurt them.  I just want to stablize our free market 
economy so that our entry level workers don't have to compete at third world 
wage levels to get a job.
>
>
>> There is no such thing as a job Americans won't take.  It is always a
>> question of the pay offered.  I detest when so called "free market" 
>> people
>> talk about jobs Americans won't take.  It is not true.  There are jobs
>> offered at below market prices.
>
>
> CNN did a story last weekend about this.
> Because of global warming, we're experienceing record-setting bumper 
> crops.
> The fruit-pickers are being offered upwards of $12/hr.
> That's like twice what min. wage is anywhere in the country.
> ... and according to you, it's still not enough.

Maybe in Calif. fruit pickers are offered $12 per hour, but in the valley 
here in Texas they don't get that much, but it doesn't matter.  Free market 
says the jobs are taken when offered at the exact right level and not 
before.  That's just free market principles.
>
> How far up do you think we should LIBERALLY raise the min. wage to.  > 
> $20/hr?  $30/hr.?

Before the industrial revolution during feudalism  the lowest wage for a 
peasant was set (by the Lords of the Manor) at a level high enough to 
support a man, a woman, and three children at a base level.  The man worked 
in the field unskilled labor or farming.  The woman was family support work 
at home.  The three children replaced the man and his wife with one extra 
for growth.  They actually paid a little more because of the high death 
rate, so the peasant had four or five children.  Tradesmen were paid a 
little more to encourage production.

There was no mimimum wage law....the wages just gravated to this level 
because that is what it took to sustain the economy.  Things that dont 
perpetuate themselves, tend to stop!

Cultures that paid less than what I just described....were overrun by more 
efficient cultures.

I am in favor of closing our borders, so you think I am anti-Mexican.  You 
really don't know much.  When I was 11 years old, I had my 125 Harley 
Davidson across the Red River into Oklahoma with some friends.  I was 
driving through some high grass and discovered a section of  Rt. 66 that had 
once led to a toll bridge that had been abandoned.  This was just a small 
section of asphalt or concrete.  It was almost 50 years ago so I can't 
remember.  Anyway, I was struck by heavy grass growing over my head out of 
the pavement.  To an eleven year old it was an irony I couldn't understand.

When I was thirty and trying to research my Cherokee roots, I had a prophecy 
to explain that early vision.  "This land will have a brown skinned people. 
As the grass grows through the pavement, so shall the brown skinned people 
rise from the earth."

Indians never had a high birth rate.  White people take birth control pills 
and abort their potential families.  The Indians from the South of America 
are Catholic and they do not abort their babies and they have a lot of them. 
They will be the brown skinned people.  They are really more Indian than 
Spanish...and they will rise from the land like the grass rose from the 
pavement.  The Spanish white people do not usually immigrate.

The border is a political boundary.  The citizens on this side are all 
colors.  It is just time to close the border politically so all the 
citizens, black, brown, yellow, and even white can decide how we want to 
control the border.

You don't have to believe in my prophecy....it was given to me...not you. 
The brown skinned people will rise from the earth.  There is no need for 
them to swim over the river. If the earth provides fruit, the earth will 
provide a people to pick it, eat it, market it, trade it, save it, and 
invest it into a gigantic industrial economy.  I already know that people 
will eventually be a brown skinned people.

Randy R. Cox