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Article #3965Re: Green Party: Socialists with Funny Hats
From: D. Braun
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:00
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:00
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On 20 Nov 1996, Jym Dyer wrote: snip > > =o= A recent disappointing sellout of dolphins by Greenpeace > USA notwithstanding, Greenpeace is certainly far more "radical" > than the other two groups, though not what any sober commentator > would call "socialist." I do disagree that this was a "sell-out". Greenpeace came down on the side of science-based policy; some politicians and enviro-groups instead did some posturing. The re-labeling would have allowed large tuna caught by the encirclement-on-dolphins method to be sold under some such label in the US. The point is, this method WAS killing 100's of thousands of dolphins /yr. Recently, with observers on board, new methods were perfected which allow the dolphins to escape--- so that deaths were at negligible levels, of 3-5000 fishery-wide. Netting the nearshore juvenile schools of tuna that do not have dolphins is destructive not only to the tuna fishery, but has increased by-catch of turtles, seabirds, and other fish, comparred to netting the schools of mature fish far out at sea. Greenpeace did not "sell-out", but was being pragmatic on the dolphin issue, and was furthering its objective to reduce by-catch, a huge problem. Without the change in labeling, the nations barred from importing their dolphin safe tuna may well revert to the old dolphin-genocide methods, unless their own enviros can convince them not to. Dave Braun
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fb58e,5d60008cad9cb03b X-Google-Attributes: gidfb58e,public X-Google-Thread: 1124e5,6d81e0c748c04831 X-Google-Attributes: gid1124e5,public X-Google-Thread: 110a63,6d81e0c748c04831 X-Google-Attributes: gid110a63,public From: "D. Braun" <dbraun@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Green Party: Socialists with Funny Hats Date: 1996/11/21 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.961121152550.42551K-100000@homer26.u.washington.edu> X-Deja-AN: 197945768 references: <56rcii$d4r@cardinal1.Stanford.EDU><32a578de.430171136@nntp.net-link.net><01bbd6b8$7592c4a0$89d0d6cc@masher> <Jym.yc7pw18tfiz.fsf@igc.org> content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII organization: University of Washington mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: talk.environment,alt.politics.greens,cl.gruppen.greenpeace nntp-posting-user: dbraun