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                    Tom Austin wrote:

> Define "failure to act in the best interests of TFN"

To take action against those who are using TFN facilities to make
'personal profits'. Or what about not including some one who has
resigned from the board due to undeclared 'conflict of interest' be the
Chairman of the board and continues on the confidential list?  Is that
of any 'interest' to the TFN?

> What is the best interest of TFN ?

To keep it alive as a start. To ensure that it is not dependent on a
person, a company or even another organization. To ensure that the users
are 'satisfied', to respond to users demands and actually be more
user-oriented.

> Can you prove forgery of the minutes ?

It is not necessary. You was there. I do not have to prove anything, but
those who accused me MUST have the proof. If you have not seen the
different 'versions' of the minutes, now actually gone from the menus,
you do not need any further proof.

> Can you prove failure to abode by the by-laws of the TFN ?

Well, I can prove failure to abide even by any law. The fact that the
motion passed at the AGM states that a member of the board can only be
removed by 2/3 of the board members, was actually stretched out to imply
2/3 of the 'present' board members.

> How did the board defame you ?

May be you did not read the published minutes? Do you want me to send
you a copy?

> How did the board act "without due process." What did they *not* do
that

By refusing to give me a hearing. By the excutive committee ignoring my
pleas for an urgent meeting week before the tragic incident. By
believeing inflammatory 'news' during the meeting, without giving me the
benefit of the doubt.

> would have been "due process"

Due process means that every one is considered innocent until proven
otherwise. Due process is to have a hearing where board members can hear
what I have to say. Due process is not that some one who has no
'position' within TFN cannot cut a 'Board Member' privileges without the
minutes being approved or the required majority is achieved, plus his IP
priveleges without even consulting the IRC. By actually making his 'work
area' read-only on his personal account. Due process is not publishing
minutes without even the approval of the secretary of the meeting.

You want to know due process. I shall demonstrate it to you, later.

> What is the name of your lawyer ?

Edward C. Corrigan, London, Ontario

> In what city does your lawyer reside ?

See above. What this has to do with what we are discussing?

> Failure to answer these questions will cast grave doubt about any
> "lawsuit".

Hear you go. However, I do not have to answer to any person, from now on
we all have to answer to the law. It would be a pity if I have to make a
lawsuit against the board (more interestingly though it would be to
those people not even under the false cover of the TFN by-laws, Ed
Carrier and Ian P. Casey :-)

> I cannot vote in board meetings, therefore I am not a member
> of the board. If the board resigns as you wish, whom do wish to
replace
> them ?

It is not up to me or my wishes. It should be up to the membership. You
want seemingly to project me as someone who wants things 'his way', not
at all, I just do not want people who are the real 'decision-makers' of
TFN (obviously not the board) to be brought to the surface for all to
see. At least I succeeded in that :-).

Now Tom, why do your opinions change with those in position? Remember
the news articles you have written before the elections? These were
changed by a series of e-mail and phone calls just a couple of weeks
ago, right? Who have encouraged you to really go on and start a
'committee' not just do training yourself? Now, may be I am
over-sensitive, but what is this post is really about? Not to mention
the one before it?

Whatever happens to me can happen to any other person. That is what we
all must consider. Do you really believe that what happened to me is
fair? Do you consider even that the question 'as been put in the
minutes' of evaluating me for my value to the TFN has been answered
correctly.  If so, what is the 'value' TFN has been getting from all
those who have taken the liberty to evaluate me (Colin McGregor, David
Jones, Dmytri, Gard Abrahamson being exceptions), what have they done to
the TFN?
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Web designer  Software Contractors' Guild Tel.: (416) 762-5135
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/3285/ Fax.: (416) 762-3490
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<DT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Tom Austin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
&gt; Define &quot;failure to act in the best interests of TFN&quot;<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>To take action against those who are using TFN facilities to make 'personal
profits'. Or what about not including some one who has resigned from the
board due to undeclared 'conflict of interest' be the Chairman of the board
and continues on the confidential list?&nbsp; Is that of any 'interest'
to the TFN?</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; What is the best interest of TFN ?</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>To keep it alive as a start. To ensure that it is not dependent on
a person, a company or even another organization. To ensure that the users
are 'satisfied', to respond to users demands and actually be more user-oriented.</DT>

<DT><BR>
&gt; Can you prove forgery of the minutes ?<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>It is not necessary. You was there. I do not have to prove anything,
but those who accused me MUST&nbsp;have the proof. If you have not seen
the different 'versions' of the minutes, now actually gone from the menus,
you do not need any further proof.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; Can you prove failure to abode by the by-laws of the TFN ?<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>Well, I can prove failure to abide even by any law. The fact that the
motion passed at the AGM states that a member of the board can only be
removed by 2/3 of the board members, was actually stretched out to imply
2/3 of the 'present' board members.&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; How did the board defame you ?</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>May be you did not read the published minutes? Do you want me to send
you a copy?</DT>

<DT><BR>
&gt; How did the board act &quot;without due process.&quot; What did they
*not* do that<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>By refusing to give me a hearing. By the excutive committee ignoring
my pleas for an urgent meeting week before the tragic incident. By believeing
inflammatory 'news' during the meeting, without giving me the benefit of
the doubt.&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; would have been &quot;due process&quot;<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>Due process means that every one is considered innocent until proven
otherwise. Due process is to have a hearing where board members can hear
what I have to say. Due process is not that some one who has no 'position'
within TFN cannot cut a 'Board Member' privileges without the minutes being
approved or the required majority is achieved, plus his IP priveleges without
even consulting the IRC. By actually making his 'work area' read-only on
his personal account. Due process is not publishing minutes without even
the approval of the secretary of the meeting.&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>You want to know due process. I shall demonstrate it to you, later.</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; What is the name of your lawyer ?<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>Edward C. Corrigan, London, Ontario</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; In what city does your lawyer reside ?<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>See above. What this has to do with what we are discussing?</DT>

<DT><BR>
&gt; Failure to answer these questions will cast grave doubt about any<BR>
&gt; &quot;lawsuit&quot;.&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Hear you go. However, I do not have to answer to any person, from now
on we all have to answer to the law. It would be a pity if I have to make
a lawsuit against the board (more interestingly though it would be to those
people not even under the false cover of the TFN by-laws, Ed Carrier and
Ian P. Casey :-)</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&gt; I cannot vote in board meetings, therefore I am not a member<BR>
&gt; of the board. If the board resigns as you wish, whom do wish to replace<BR>
&gt; them ?<BR>
<BR></DT>

<DT>It is not up to me or my wishes. It should be up to the membership.
You want seemingly to project me as someone who wants things 'his way',
not at all, I just do not want people who are the real 'decision-makers'
of TFN (obviously not the board) to be brought to the surface for all to
see. At least I succeeded in that :-).</DT>

<DT><BR>
Now Tom, why do your opinions change with those in position? Remember the
news articles you have written before the elections? These were changed
by a series of e-mail and phone calls just a couple of weeks ago, right?
Who have encouraged you to really go on and start a 'committee' not just
do training yourself? Now, may be I am over-sensitive, but what is this
post is really about? Not to mention the one before it?&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>&nbsp;</DT>

<DT>Whatever happens to me can happen to any other person. That is what
we all must consider. Do you really believe that what happened to me is
fair? Do you consider even that the question 'as been put in the minutes'
of evaluating me for my value to the TFN has been answered correctly.&nbsp;
If so, what is the 'value' TFN has been getting from all those who have
taken the liberty to evaluate me (Colin McGregor, David Jones, Dmytri,
Gard Abrahamson being exceptions), what have they done to the TFN?<BR>
--&nbsp;<BR>
Nabil M. El-Khodari&nbsp;&nbsp; HTML Writers Guild mailto:fits@4u.net<BR>
Web designer&nbsp; Software Contractors' Guild Tel.: (416) 762-5135<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/3285/ Fax.: (416) 762-3490<BR>
President, FITS (Falcon International Teleco./Translation Services)<BR>
&nbsp;</DT>

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