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Bill Chow wrote:
>The TFN Board does not respond to rumours. We tend to believe in 
>our volunteers' innocence until proven otherwise. When you or anyone
>else have concrete evidence on illegal activity, please bring them
>to this or other Board members or the police.

 Have a look at:

 http://www.not.torfree.net/~sasha/transforum

 I suggest people stop donating to
 Toronto Freenet and the police be
 called. Non-profit means we are not
 a commercial enterprise. Transforum is
 a commercial enterprise. Their web
 site is located on our TFN server.

                           Bob Allisat

 PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2       (416) 588-0670
-- 

In article <E79303.4F7.0.bloor@torfree.net>,
Bob Allisat <ab330@torfree.net> wrote:
> The following text shows sites
> on TFN's not.torfree.net machine
> which have had over 20 visits.

From who ? If they're local, so what?

You'd really shut down the freenet because
of 20 hits?

You're a spitefull little man bob, and my disgust
for you grows by the second.

If you really want to improve the freenet, you'd
never post from there again.



-- 
Richard Sexton
richard@alter.nic            We are all the Alter.NIC
richard@vrx.net               http://www.alternic.net

 The following text shows sites
 on TFN's not.torfree.net machine
 which have had over 20 visits.
 Sasha, Dmytri Kleiner's employee
 and friend seems to hold a lot
 of our resources for his projects.

 This text does not show other files
 that may be on not.torfree.net. So
 far we have found onecommercial site
 on our non-profit machines. What else
 is there? And why is there such
 resistance to finding out?

                           Bob Allisat

 PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2       (416) 588-0670

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> START

                       Web Server Statistics for TFN Office Website (p16 
of 23)
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   Printing all requested files with at least 20 requests, sorted by
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-- 

In article <E79281.2v6.0.bloor@torfree.net>,
Bob Allisat <ab330@torfree.net> wrote:
>Bill Chow wrote:
>>The TFN Board does not respond to rumours. We tend to believe in 
>>our volunteers' innocence until proven otherwise. When you or anyone
>>else have concrete evidence on illegal activity, please bring them
>>to this or other Board members or the police.
>
> Have a look at:
>
> http://www.not.torfree.net/~sasha/transforum

No DNS.

-- 
Richard Sexton
richard@alter.nic            We are all the Alter.NIC
richard@vrx.net               http://www.alternic.net

	{Followups trimmed}

Bob Allisat (ab330@torfree.net) wrote:
: Bill Chow wrote:
: >The TFN Board does not respond to rumours. We tend to believe in 
: >our volunteers' innocence until proven otherwise. When you or anyone
: >else have concrete evidence on illegal activity, please bring them
: >to this or other Board members or the police.

:  Have a look at:

:  http://www.not.torfree.net/~sasha/transforum

:  I suggest people stop donating to
:  Toronto Freenet and the police be
:  called. Non-profit means we are not
:  a commercial enterprise. Transforum is
:  a commercial enterprise. Their web
:  site is located on our TFN server.

	Why don't you call the police yourself?  Could it be that you 
don't want to face a charge of mischief?

-- 
			Phoenix, FALH

Bob Allisat (ab330@torfree.net) wrote:
:  [...]
:  Persistant rumours of abuse of accounts on this system have
:  arisen including commercial contents.
:  [...]
:  Note: I do not have concrete evidence just strong indications.
:  [...]
:  The Board must address these
:  issues as soon as possible.

The TFN Board does not respond to rumours. We tend to believe in our 
volunteers' innocence until proven otherwise. When you or anyone else
have concrete evidence on illegal activity, please bring them to this
or other Board members or the police.
-- 
|                                                          Bill Chow, B.Com.|
|Board member, Toronto Freenet                      Toronto, Ontario, CANADA|
|Web: www.netforward.com/theoffice/?chow                 Email: chow@usa.net|
|___________________________________________________________________________|

Bob Allisat (ab330@torfree.net) wrote:
:  Have a look at:
:  http://www.not.torfree.net/~sasha/transforum

I have. The site does not exist or no longer exist as of 5:15 pm 18 Mar 
1997.

In any case, Board member Gard Abrahamson will likely takeover management 
of the not.torfree computer. You can send further evidences to him or me.

As for the statistics & coded information you sent me:
The jumble of letters shown on the web page make a readable message, if 
it's worth the trouble of dejumbling:

:    "so youve stambled across my little web page please xqs my english im
: a tired russian an as for this page well i get to work on it usualy when
: i am : very tired and have little time here are some cool things that
: will keep you entertained for a while and if you want more then well
: hire me or wait until i will get around to it just keep visiting and btw i
: cannot beleve that you are actually reading this nonesence me you must be
: very intrigued by me and you should cose i am very intriguing person and
: it will take some time to understand me and my world as i would imagine
: many other people but hey remember ou came to me and this is what i am boy
: i never written so much in my life." 

It may violates English grammer but it does not violates Canadian law or
even TFN bylaws.
-- 
|                                                          Bill Chow, B.Com.|
|Board member, Toronto Freenet                      Toronto, Ontario, CANADA|
|Web: www.netforward.com/theoffice/?chow                 Email: chow@usa.net|
|___________________________________________________________________________|

Richard Sexton (richard@interlog.com) wrote:
: From who ? If they're local, so what?
:
: You'd really shut down the freenet because
: of 20 hits?
:
: You're a spitefull little man bob, and my disgust
: for you grows by the second.
:
: If you really want to improve the freenet, you'd
: never post from there again.

 Friends, how many of us have them?
 Richard turns like the proverbial
 knife in the back. One day he's all
 compliments. The next day - should
 one disagree with his highness -
 I'm the worst thing since Svengali.

 I am tired of exploiters, opportunists
 and con artists. They may have some
 role in the greater scheme of things
 but at the helm of non-profit ventures
 they do nothing but harm. Same goes
 for businesses but there it's what
 everyone expects. So no-one is surprised
 when they get ripped off by schemers.

 Free Toronto Freenet from the info-
 profiteers and e-scamers.

                           Bob Allisat

 PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2       (416) 588-0670
-- 

I, Bob Allisat, wrote
> Have a look at:
>
> http://www.not.torfree.net/~sasha/transforum

Richard Sexton replied:
: No DNS.

 It was there yesterday and
 I saw it. It was a commercial
 site that advertised various
 Web related services for sale.
 Facts. Hard to argue with, eh?
 Crummy background GIF, too
 much text, dreadful design.
 But a business on TFN space....
 VERBOTEN. Sasha gets the boot
 unless TFN has lost it's
 direction. Again.
                           Bob Allisat

 PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2       (416) 588-0670
-- 

In article <E79yD5.3KJ.0.bloor@torfree.net>,
Graham Bullers <ab756@torfree.net> wrote:
>
>Richard are you part of this abuse of TFN by TCFN.

Have you stopped beating your wife ?

Are you now or have you even been a member of the communist party ?


I've already plainly stated I have nothing to do with either tfn or tfcn.

Don't let THAT stop your little witchhunt though.

Perhaps it is time to get more involved though.


-- 
Richard Sexton
richard@alter.nic            We are all the Alter.NIC
richard@vrx.net               http://www.alternic.net

In article <E79yME.w4.0.queen@torfree.net>,
Bob Allisat <ab330@torfree.net> wrote:
>Richard Sexton (richard@interlog.com) wrote:
>: From who ? If they're local, so what?
>:
>: You'd really shut down the freenet because
>: of 20 hits?
>:
>: You're a spitefull little man bob, and my disgust
>: for you grows by the second.
>:
>: If you really want to improve the freenet, you'd
>: never post from there again.
>
> Friends, how many of us have them?

Well you're running out of them, thats for sure.

> Richard turns like the proverbial
> knife in the back. One day he's all
> compliments. The next day - should
> one disagree with his highness -

Bob, I've given you untold resources that would have cost
anybody else hundreds if not thousands of dollars of the
last two years.

I've put up with untold flak from people who used to
respect me, for giving you these resources.

I've tried my best to help you with your projects
even though they're in direct commercial competition
with what I do.

All in hope you would one day do something, ANYTHING
constructive. To date, you still have not.

When I wouldnt fold to your extortive attempts:
"give me a free office and I'll support eDNS",
"support altRFC and I'll support eDNS" you
then proceeded to shit on eDNS, TFCN, TFN,
basically anybody who won't let you assume
an element of control.

All the entities above operate on rough consensus
and running code. Not gerrymandering serlf serving
abusive little control freaks such as yourself.

Don't like them ? Don't use them.  I've never seen
anybody bitch so hard at free resources or bite
so savigely the hand that feeds them.

> I'm the worst thing since Svengali.

No, you're just another net.kook in a long
line of net.kooks. Your poetry sucks, you
appear to be losing it again, and you're no
longer amusing, just spitefull. Bob against
the world, but the world is getting rather bored.

> I am tired of exploiters, opportunists
> and con artists.

That you and Gard have a machine that is on
Beckers network, and Becker being a paid
contractor to the TFN who gives his resources
to you two clowns freely is not without notice.

Think this through, Bob: shut down the freenet
and Becker doesnt have that contract. No contract
no income. No income, your connectivity goed away
as does Gard's. It would appear you have a much greater
vested interest in the status quo than most poeple.

>                   They may have some
> role in the greater scheme of things
> but at the helm of non-profit ventures
> they do nothing but harm. Same goes
> for businesses but there it's what
> everyone expects. So no-one is surprised
> when they get ripped off by schemers.

Nobody has ben ripped off, except for the 
poeple who pay to read your messages.

> Free Toronto Freenet from the info-
> profiteers and e-scamers.

More baseless allegations. If you had anything
actionable, you'd actually do something, but there
is nothing and you have nothing.

You're the world weekly news of the net bob,
a foul, smearing, self centered egomanical
magalomaniac seerely lacking in a clue of any
sort.

You're the Heraldo of the freenet, tilting at
windills, shitting all over anything you can't
control, who never has and probably never will
make any contribution to the net.community.

You used to be a harmless fool, boB, now
you're just an asshole.

-- 

Richard Sexton      |    "Critics: legless men who teach running"
richard@vrx.net     |  Bannockburn, Ontario, Canada / +1 (613) 473-1719

Richard are you part of this abuse of TFN by TCFN.


Richard Sexton (richard@interlog.com) wrote:
: In article <E79303.4F7.0.bloor@torfree.net>,
: Bob Allisat <ab330@torfree.net> wrote:
: > The following text shows sites
: > on TFN's not.torfree.net machine
: > which have had over 20 visits.

: From who ? If they're local, so what?

: You'd really shut down the freenet because
: of 20 hits?

: You're a spitefull little man bob, and my disgust
: for you grows by the second.

: If you really want to improve the freenet, you'd
: never post from there again.



: -- 
: Richard Sexton
: richard@alter.nic            We are all the Alter.NIC
: richard@vrx.net               http://www.alternic.net
-- 
****Graham-John Bullers*****www.Freenet.Edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html***** 
Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.The courage
to change the things I can.And the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people
I had to kill because they pissed me off.*********alt.2600.moderated*********

Graham Bullers (ab756@torfree.net) asks:
:
: Richard are you part of this abuse of TFN by TCFN.
:

 A very good question Graham.
 The way Mr. Sezton doth reply
 it sounds like it's his ass in
 the line of rightful fire not
 someone elses. But your know
 what they say... back the wrong
 horse and you have to holler
 all the louder so no-one notices
 it's a cow struggling to finish
 in last place.

   Earth to Richard, Earth to
   Richard, come in Richard:
   it's a cow... 
                           Bob Allisat

 PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2       (416) 588-0670

 
-- 

Graham Bullers <ab756@torfree.net> wrote:
> Richard are you part of this abuse of TFN by TCFN.

Richard Sexton (richard@interlog.com) wrote:
: I've already plainly stated I have nothing to do with either tfn or tfcn.
:
: Don't let THAT stop your little witchhunt though.
:
: Perhaps it is time to get more involved though.

 Where is it you live Richard?
 Hasting Country? How many hours
 drive outside of Toronto? Giving
 a new meaning to GTA... amusing.
 Very amusing. Wade in Richard.
 Get thick. Good luck big man.

                           Bob Allisat

 PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2       (416) 588-0670
-- 

Richard Sexton (richard@interlog.com) wrote:
: Bob, I've given you untold resources that would have cost
: anybody else hundreds if not thousands of dollars of the
: last two years.

 And I have helped you back into a fine glow
 of renewed notoriety from what was obscurity.
 We are even, Steven. The rest is up to history
 to decide. 
                           Bob Allisat

 PO Box 191 Station E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2       (416) 588-0670
-- 

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:15:49 GMT, ab330@torfree.net (Bob Allisat)
wrote:


> I am tired of exploiters, opportunists
> and con artists. 

Translation: I don't like the competition...

Bill Chow (chow@torfree.net) wrote:

: The TFN Board does not respond to rumours. We tend to believe in our 
: volunteers' innocence until proven otherwise. When you or anyone else
: have concrete evidence on illegal activity, please bring them to this
: or other Board members or the police.

You know as well as all the other board members that I have presented the 
evidence to the FreeBD (hope it is still there) of the illegal use of 
not.torfree.net, what did the board do? Did the board give an elected 
member a chance to be questioned? Or did they hurry up screaming up till 
now un-proven 'security' risk.

Some times Bill I wish that you keep silent and preserve your dignity. 
You may not be aware of some very interesting developments that will 
prove beyond the shadow of doubt what is really taking place. Your lack 
of technical skills will not be an excuse because it was spilled out to 
you. But you are of the stance that if it does not cost the TFN any 
money, why not let them get out with it. Why make noise. You certainly 
wish to belong but you are defending the wrong company. Stand up and 
practice your responsibility. Ask silly questions if you must.

Soon, you will know better.


-- 
Nabil M. El-Khdari          | Community networking is not an aim in itslef,
TFN Member                  | but a means to an end.. The end being community
TFN Information Provider    | revitalization, empowerment and development.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: what did the board do? Did the board give an elected 
: member a chance to be questioned? Or did they hurry up screaming up till 
: now un-proven 'security' risk.

I voted against expelling you from the Board and against limiting your IP
access, so I am not the one who should be explaining these majority
decisions.

: you are of the stance that if it does not cost the TFN any 
: money, why not let them get out with it. Why make noise....
: Stand up and 
: practice your responsibility.

My reponsibility as and the reason I ran to become TFN Board member is to 
save Toronto Freenet, not to become net.cop. I ran to provide free basic
internet access for all, not to censor internet content.

My stance on the not.torfree computer is "if it does not cost the TFN
any money, why not let" the volunteers use it however they wish. I
understand TFN owns the not.torfree computer, so there is no monthly
rental cost. Until we have alternate productive use for it, I do not
object to volunteers using this idle asset even for commercial purposes.

I will even tolerate pornography on not.torfree so long as it does not
violates Canadian laws or Ryerson policy. Ryerson not only provides us
the bandwidth for the machine but our office space as well.

Volunteer Sasha's web site provides connection to Board member Dmytri's
critique on child porn censorship, which warns people initially that
what follows may be offensive. Unless the police or Ryerson warns us
otherwise, I will not interfere.  
-- 
|                                                          Bill Chow, B.Com.|
|                                                           TFN Board member|
|                                                     Toronto,Ontario,CANADA|
|___________________________________________________________________________|

Bob Allisat (ab330@torfree.net) wrote:
:  There is a small computer in the Toronto Freenet office that
:  is on the internet and is *not* accessable by general members.
:  It is only open for a handful of people for various purposes.

:  Persistant rumours of abuse of accounts on this system have
:  arisen including commercial contents. Now there is good reason
:  to believe that ilegal materials are either on or were on this
:  machine.

Bob, what you say has been posted to the Board just after my removal, 
containing all actual URL's. I still have a list and actual HTML of these 
sites. My crime was that I have actually limited the access of these 
privileged few - though I admit that I was offered an account may as a 
sort of pribe - including the previous 'Administrator' who has resigned 
before I took responsibility of the office. I also informed the Ryerson 
security that he is a security risk and not to be allowed to the office. 
The day after, January 9th, I took all the proofs to the board meeting 
only to be silenced by 'you know who' and then the farce of illegal 
removal.

So the board knows.

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In article <E7E4JH.Bn2.0.queen@torfree.net>,
Bill Chow <chow@torfree.net> wrote:
|
|My reponsibility as and the reason I ran to become TFN Board member is to 
|save Toronto Freenet, not to become net.cop. I ran to provide free basic
|internet access for all, not to censor internet content.
|
|My stance on the not.torfree computer is "if it does not cost the TFN
|any money, why not let" the volunteers use it however they wish. I
|understand TFN owns the not.torfree computer, so there is no monthly
|rental cost. Until we have alternate productive use for it, I do not
|object to volunteers using this idle asset even for commercial purposes.
|
|I will even tolerate pornography on not.torfree so long as it does not
|violates Canadian laws or Ryerson policy. Ryerson not only provides us
|the bandwidth for the machine but our office space as well.
|
|Volunteer Sasha's web site provides connection to Board member Dmytri's
|critique on child porn censorship, which warns people initially that
|what follows may be offensive. Unless the police or Ryerson warns us
|otherwise, I will not interfere.  


	Bill, much appreciation for your ability to maintain
	a sane & open attitude on these issues.


-- 
  ,u,	 Bruce Becker		Toronto, Ontario	1 416 699 1868
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 `\o\-e	 Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it
 _< /_	 	be returned without a receipt	- physicists everywhere

In article <E79303.4F7.0.bloor@torfree.net>,
Bob Allisat <ab330@torfree.net> wrote:
|
| This text does not show other files
| that may be on not.torfree.net. So
| far we have found onecommercial site
| on our non-profit machines. What else
| is there? And why is there such
| resistance to finding out?



	More damn stupid net tricks, film at 11.
	There you go again dragging your herring
	all about when the real issue is:  what
	about the pods?  ...I'll let Arlo take
	over from here...


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  ,u,	 Bruce Becker		Toronto, Ontario	1 416 699 1868
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 `\o\-e	 Matter cannot be created or destroyed, nor can it
 _< /_	 	be returned without a receipt	- physicists everywhere

Bill Chow (chow@torfree.net) wrote:
: Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari (ad613@torfree.net) wrote:
: : what did the board do? Did the board give an elected 
: : member a chance to be questioned? Or did they hurry up screaming up till 
: : now un-proven 'security' risk.

: I voted against expelling you from the Board and against limiting your IP
: access, so I am not the one who should be explaining these majority
: decisions.

I understand that and appreciate it. However, it is not just a matter of 
voting. You can protest more vigorously. You could have put it in the 
minutes that this is against even the passed AGM motion, because it did 
not have the required majority of 2/3 of the Board. 

: My reponsibility as and the reason I ran to become TFN Board member is to 
: save Toronto Freenet, not to become net.cop. I ran to provide free basic
: internet access for all, not to censor internet content.

No not net.cop but torfree.cop, in the end you as a board member will be 
held responsible. Unfortunately, though the board is used as a front by 
the knowledge (and planning) of some of its members, the others are just 
being used. Who said any thing about internet content? If any one wants 
to post any thing s/he can do it through the newsgroups or by becoming an 
IP for the TFN. This is 'legal' content. If any one is using the TFN - or 
more specifically public facilities - to post WWW commercial and/or 
pronographic sites with no concent from the IRC or the board, then it is 
something else.

: My stance on the not.torfree computer is "if it does not cost the TFN
: any money, why not let" the volunteers use it however they wish. I
: understand TFN owns the not.torfree computer, so there is no monthly
: rental cost. Until we have alternate productive use for it, I do not
: object to volunteers using this idle asset even for commercial purposes.

Let me ask you this, what 'volunteers' have accounts on not.torfree.net, 
Is Gard a volunteer? Why does not he as a volunteer and a board member or 
may be yourself have an account on it? Is Sasha a TFN member? Why does he 
have not only an account on not.torfree.net but also have his mailing 
program on the office machine?

Well, as for your 'no objection to commercial use' I think you should 
actually study the By laws of TFN.

: I will even tolerate pornography on not.torfree so long as it does not
: violates Canadian laws or Ryerson policy. Ryerson not only provides us
: the bandwidth for the machine but our office space as well.

Well, you have your standards. Does either Ryerson or Rogers were
consulted in this 'decision'? What you think will happen to TFN if someone
- not me, but the idea can be used by any one - are provided with the
URLs? Is not the best interest of TFN is something you are supposed to 
'protect'?

: Volunteer Sasha's web site provides connection to Board member Dmytri's
: critique on child porn censorship, which warns people initially that
: what follows may be offensive. Unless the police or Ryerson warns us
: otherwise, I will not interfere.  

I am glad to see you have Sasha as a volunteer and not a 'user' of TFN. 
My suggestion is to nominate him 'volunteer of the month'.

Please Bill do not try to defend something wrong. You are putting 
yourself in the same boat with people that it seems you do not have the 
slightest idea what they are involved in, or at least I shall give you 
the benefit of the doubt.
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TFN Member                  | but a means to an end.. The end being community
TFN Information Provider    | revitalization, empowerment and development.
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Richard Sexton (richard@interlog.com) wrote:
: > http://www.not.torfree.net/~sasha/transforum

: No DNS.

Try http://not.torfree.net/~sasha/

or better still try 

http://not.torfree.net/~sasha/sasha/

In the past - that is till say a month ago - you could also have tried 
FTP and know the exact directories and their content, not any more 
unfortunately. They covered their tracks up, a little pit late. I was there.


-- 
Nabil M. El-Khdari          | Community networking is not an aim in itslef,
TFN Member                  | but a means to an end.. The end being community
TFN Information Provider    | revitalization, empowerment and development.
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