🚀 go-pugleaf

This situation is certainly going to create more homeless and panhandlers
for the city to crack down on. Welcome to Ontario, where it is rapidly
becoming illegal for many people to even remain alive!

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Bill 96 (in HTML) can be found at

http://www.ontla.on.ca/archives/Journals/bills/b96rp_e.htm

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Very good point. I actually had to move out from the house I was renting 
because of such (and more funnier tactics). However, this was a lucky 
break for me, I am in a better neighbourhood now, renting just a room 
instead of having to worry about having other tenants sharing the house. 
Of interest, here are some of the tactics used by my landlord;

- putting a junk car in the hous parking - though of course he does not 
live there - claiming that the contract does not include renting the parking.

- serving a note of evection on the second day of the month (he insists 
that pay should be made on the first day of the month, which is not 
practical as I also had to collect rent from my tenants, some of whom are 
on welfare). I believe he was trying to develop a profile of delayed 
payment, though I ultimately paid all rent for the past 4 years. 

- Refusing to make repairs badly needed to the house. So, in one of his
bogus late payments claims, I did not pay, went to court with 2 films of
every room and wall in the house. Of course he refused mediation, went in
front of a judge, who ordered the repairs to be made and deducted $400
from the rent (which incidently I paid to court, which proved to take a
long time to reach the landlord)

Of course, repairs were done, but very unprofessionally, e.g. paint jobs, 
including changing the carpet of the first floor to the lowest grade of 
carpets available and the worst colour you can imagine.

- Asking to do repeated inspections at times he knows that me and my 
tenants are asleep (we work nights) even after the repairs were finished 
(of course doing them during the times we were supposed to be asleep in 
first place). These inspections I have rejected. I have called the police 
once for him as he entered the house without my conscent, for such an 
'inspection'.

- Bringing people to view the house for rent, though I have not given 
notice. This was to create uncertainity among my housemates.

- serving 3 consecutive rent 'increase' notices within one month, each 
cancelling the previous one and is of higher value. The last one stated 
that the rent will be increased by $150/month due to 'legal expenses'!!

Ultimately, I left the house, who wants to live in constant problems? I 
discovered that I am not alone in this. In fact the judge mentioned that 
the number of evection cases has risen considerably (even before the law 
became enforced) just in anticipation of it.

Where I work, I met a woman who was evicted by a court order that was 
obtained while she was out of the country (in February) and got evicted 
yesterday, without knowing even that a court order has been obtained. 
This has to do with the practice of accepting 'witnesses' that the formal 
papers were served to the tenant, instead of the more reliable registered 
mail. Of course the Sherriff does not listen, he has a court order (and 
of course many evection orders to enforce). She has to go to court!!! 

Yes, a lot has to be done to restore the human rights of tenants. 
Basically, I believe market forces will come into play and landlords will 
become realistic in their rent requirements and their treatment of 
tenants. However, I do not plan to wait for that to happen. I would do 
every thing I can to owning even a small apartment as a first time buyer 
within the coming three years. Until then, I hope that I can deal with 
landlords.
-- 
Nabil M. El-Khodari. 
"Men use thought to justify their injustices, and
speech to conceal their thoughts"        Voltaire

Its always this way with such assholes Nabil.

Nabil Mohamed El-Khodari wrote:
> 
> Very good point. I actually had to move out from the house I was renting
> because of such (and more funnier tactics). However, this was a lucky

> --snip--<

> Nabil M. El-Khodari.
> "Men use thought to justify their injustices, and
> speech to conceal their thoughts"        Voltaire

 and oh yeah, i bet Voltaire would have paid someone $50 bucks to kick
his ass too

Damian

someone should just assassinate herr uberdork harris...



Al Aab wrote:
> 
>                         TENATNTS !    UNITE  !
> 
> now that the harris "Tenants Protection Act"
> has come into power (since 17 june 98)
> and even before that
> 
> landlords are trying to raise the rents on the "stay put" tenants.
> 
> how ?
> 
> 1- tightening the screws on tenants, like no storage in balconies
> 2- doing unnecessary repairs (that raises the rent 4%/year, + the
> automatic 3%/year)
> 
> the landlord sends tenants a notice stating that the landlord
> will enter the units to "inspect" the appliances
> the landlord pretends to inspect the stoves and frigs ( a cursory
> outside look"
> 
> the landlord sells "all" the appliances to a friend as "junk",
>         and pockets the proceeds, under the counter.
> the landlord replaces the appliances with newer ones, of inferior
>         quality.
> 
> 3- the landlord does unnecessary repairs to the balconies, etc
>         the landlord calls the unnecessary repairs
>         "capital repairs", a contradiction in terms.
>         the unnecessary repairs never end.
>        :loop
>         the landlord does some chipping (noise, dust, emptying the
>         balconies, in conveniencing the tenant)
>         the landlord covers the chipped places
>         the landlord jacks up the rent on the "stay put" tenants by 4%
>        goto loop
> 4- if the "stay put" tenant gets fed up (planned), he has to move out
>         to a new place.  a new tenant is not protected by
>         harris' "Tenants Protection Act".
> 
> is   lord harris a liar
> does lord harris get landlord kickbacks/cuts
> is   lordharris a sadist
> ?
> 
> 
> 
>                .  landlords crackdown.  heil harris !
> 
>                         TENATNTS !    UNITE  !
> 
>                     is there life after harris ?
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		  landlord buy politicians
		
           councillor anne johnston is on the take

		anne johnston is on the take



to a "whitewash" meeting
organized by a famous landlored
i invited councillor mike walker 
(
who invited 2 cityhall noise control officers.  
mike invited also Metro Toronto Federation of Tenants 
Assouciations, 
who failed to show up
)

i sort of invited the highly unreachable, hiding behind layers of
voice mail, councilor anne johnston.

later
the famous landlord
posted on every floor a circular signed by anne johnston
the gist of it,  
			

			anne johnston is on the take


tenants really lost kay gardner !!

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any1 knows if there is a www copy of the so-called
			tenants protection act
?

BTW
1- for sleepy tenants
just read on www that if a tenant does not re-sign his tenancy lease
then he will automatically become a month-to-month tenants

2- some landlords are contemplating framing/beating up tenants activists
  
3- the tpa has taken away many disputes that used to belong in court.
	and put them in the hands of some tribunal

4- federation of metrotoronto tenants assns, has a hotline manned by
	1 lawyer.  
	practically useless.  overwhelmed.

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Al Aab (af137@torfree.net) wrote:

: any1 knows if there is a www copy of the so-called
: 			tenants protection act
: ?
Yes there is at:

http://www.ontla.on.ca/archives/Journals/bills/b97rp_e.htm

: BTW
: 1- for sleepy tenants
: just read on www that if a tenant does not re-sign his tenancy lease
: then he will automatically become a month-to-month tenants

: 2- some landlords are contemplating framing/beating up tenants activists

I don't think that will be necessary with the present the Harris 
government already gave landlords under he misnomer of the Tenant Protection 
Act.

: 3- the tpa has taken away many disputes that used to belong in court.
: 	and put them in the hands of some tribunal

You can find more on that in the article on the web site listed at the 
end of this posting.

: 4- federation of metrotoronto tenants assns, has a hotline manned by
: 	1 lawyer.  
: 	practically useless.  overwhelmed.

There is no lawyer that I know of on their hotline, only a "paralegal" 
and that is with $96,000 in city funding for the phone line and one 
person to be on it 40 hours a week.

You may also want to look at something I wrote a while ago at:
http://tenant.net/Other_Areas/Canada/attack.txt

Make that
http://www.ontla.on.ca/archives/Journals/bills/b96rp_e.htm
rather than b97.

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Bob Levitt wrote:
> 
> Al Aab (af137@torfree.net) wrote:
> 
> : any1 knows if there is a www copy of the so-called
> :                       tenants protection act
> : ?
> Yes there is at:
> 
> http://www.ontla.on.ca/archives/Journals/bills/b97rp_e.htm
> 
> : BTW
> : 1- for sleepy tenants
> : just read on www that if a tenant does not re-sign his tenancy lease
> : then he will automatically become a month-to-month tenants
> 
> : 2- some landlords are contemplating framing/beating up tenants activists
> 
> I don't think that will be necessary with the present the Harris
> government already gave landlords under he misnomer of the Tenant Protection
> Act.
> 
> : 3- the tpa has taken away many disputes that used to belong in court.
> :       and put them in the hands of some tribunal
> 
> You can find more on that in the article on the web site listed at the
> end of this posting.
> 
> : 4- federation of metrotoronto tenants assns, has a hotline manned by
> :       1 lawyer.
> :       practically useless.  overwhelmed.
> 
> There is no lawyer that I know of on their hotline, only a "paralegal"
> and that is with $96,000 in city funding for the phone line and one
> person to be on it 40 hours a week.
> 
> You may also want to look at something I wrote a while ago at:
> http://tenant.net/Other_Areas/Canada/attack.txt

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Frans van Duinen     (416) 588-0698,  Fax (416) 588-9690
Master Programmer Group Inc.
Toronto, Ont.

Why are you looking for the text of the law?  The way you've been
critizing it one would almost believe you knew what you were talking
about.... But I guess not.

BTW, your item one about reverting to a month-by-month tenancy.  That's
not a change.  Has been that way for years.

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Al Aab wrote:
> 
> any1 knows if there is a www copy of the so-called
>                         tenants protection act
> ?
> 
> BTW
> 1- for sleepy tenants
> just read on www that if a tenant does not re-sign his tenancy lease
> then he will automatically become a month-to-month tenants
> 
> 2- some landlords are contemplating framing/beating up tenants activists
> 
> 3- the tpa has taken away many disputes that used to belong in court.
>         and put them in the hands of some tribunal
> 
> 4- federation of metrotoronto tenants assns, has a hotline manned by
>         1 lawyer.
>         practically useless.  overwhelmed.
> 
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Frans van Duinen     (416) 588-0698,  Fax (416) 588-9690
Master Programmer Group Inc.
Toronto, Ont.

since landlords own the property and call the shots,
my suspicion is that any trickery and harrisment is their doing.

not sure though, see, I havent had a landlord in a considerable time,
since shortly after the time I was apt hunting in st catharines and
would enquire as to are there anyone who has given their notice and
if so, I would be interested in taking that unit. just tell me,
there must be someone in a building this size that has given notice. 
if not this month then next. etc etc.

the response? well, seems if I was to hand over a months rent, that
would get me on a special list. oh, so you want the first months rent 
up front? no, that is to just get on the 'waiting' list.
 ie a godam BRIBE. payola. pay 13 months rent for a 1 year lease.

and THAT is typical landlord behaviour. gouge gouge gouge.



Al Aab (af137@torfree.net) wrote:
: 			TENATNTS !    UNITE  !

: now that the harris "Tenants Protection Act"
: has come into power (since 17 june 98)
: and even before that

: landlords are trying to raise the rents on the "stay put" tenants.

: how ?

: 1- tightening the screws on tenants, like no storage in balconies
: 2- doing unnecessary repairs (that raises the rent 4%/year, + the
: automatic 3%/year)

: the landlord sends tenants a notice stating that the landlord
: will enter the units to "inspect" the appliances
: the landlord pretends to inspect the stoves and frigs ( a cursory
: outside look"

: the landlord sells "all" the appliances to a friend as "junk",
: 	and pockets the proceeds, under the counter.
: the landlord replaces the appliances with newer ones, of inferior
: 	quality.

: 3- the landlord does unnecessary repairs to the balconies, etc
: 	the landlord calls the unnecessary repairs
: 	"capital repairs", a contradiction in terms.
: 	the unnecessary repairs never end.
:        :loop
: 	the landlord does some chipping (noise, dust, emptying the
: 	balconies, in conveniencing the tenant)
: 	the landlord covers the chipped places
:         the landlord jacks up the rent on the "stay put" tenants by 4%
:        goto loop 	
: 4- if the "stay put" tenant gets fed up (planned), he has to move out
: 	to a new place.  a new tenant is not protected by
: 	harris' "Tenants Protection Act".  



: is   lord harris a liar
: does lord harris get landlord kickbacks/cuts
: is   lordharris a sadist
: ?

: 	     

: 	       .  landlords crackdown.  heil harris !

: 			TENATNTS !    UNITE  !

: 		    is there life after harris ?
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computer geek nerd quote of the day:

next time there's a blackout, can I just 
download some electricity from the 'net?

Christina Johnson wrote:

> since landlords own the property and call the shots,
> my suspicion is that any trickery and harrisment is their doing.
>
> not sure though, see, I havent had a landlord in a considerable time,
> since shortly after the time I was apt hunting in st catharines and
> would enquire as to are there anyone who has given their notice and
> if so, I would be interested in taking that unit. just tell me,
> there must be someone in a building this size that has given notice.
> if not this month then next. etc etc.
>
> the response? well, seems if I was to hand over a months rent, that
> would get me on a special list. oh, so you want the first months rent
> up front? no, that is to just get on the 'waiting' list.
>  ie a godam BRIBE. payola. pay 13 months rent for a 1 year lease.
>
> and THAT is typical landlord behaviour. gouge gouge gouge.
>

Of all the discussion on this line, no mention has been made on the fact that
there have been no construction of rental buildings (privately funded)  in GTA
for about 15 years. The field has been uneven in favor of the tenants for so
long and no landlord  or  investment would like to construct  rental building
because it is just not viable at all even when the TPA is passed.

It is simply a matter of supply and demand - the costs of maintaining a
privately owned rental building (including pleasing some tenants from hell)
outweighed that of the return.

Until the pendulum has swung to such an extent that a reasonable return (of
about 3-5%)  for those investment, there won't be any substantial infusion of
capital (from private source)  towards the construction of rental housing.
Now that   there have been no construction of public housing following  the
devolution , it is guaranteed that  there won't be enough rental spaces in
GTA.  Rental will only be driven up   until private investment fund come in
building up more rental housing. I am afraid this  long process takes over 5-6
years to take effect.

Dan