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In article <cd866e1d.0407081414.244bec10@posting.google.com>, Tribute Desecrator <datbitchmarlo@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, too bad those punk kids with the pink lemonade had not made it
> the purple electric koolaid of the late, great Reverend Jim Jones
> instead.  We would be less at least 2 SS agents, if not a whole lot
> more.

Methinks you are confusing Jim Jones with Ken Kesey and his east
coast counterpart, Timothy Leary. Of course, Leary was supposedly
so stuck up that he might not stoop to the level of drinking any kind
of Kool-Aid, since it was a child's drink. Kesey held the real partys.
And I'll bet that King George has never even read the Tom Wolfe book
at all... let alone partake of any electric form of the eucharist. This
is assuming of course that he can actually read. There IS, you know,
that picture of King George reading with all the grade school kids...
but King George is holding the book upside down.

--

In article <cd866e1d.0407081414.244bec10@posting.google.com>, Tribute Desecrator <datbitchmarlo@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, too bad those punk kids with the pink lemonade had not made it
> the purple electric koolaid of the late, great Reverend Jim Jones
> instead.  We would be less at least 2 SS agents, if not a whole lot
> more.

PS - since this post relates to Jim Jones and since it was also posted
to alt.military (and I don't have a clue why the OP did so), here is
a tidbit of interesting info that is not exactly commonly known. Does
anybody out there realize that Jim Jones and his followers actually
managed to cause a military cargo aircraft to become haunted?
It is true... according to USAF flight crew members back in the 
early1980s, C-141 tail number 50220 is the plane that carried
all the dead bodies out of Guiana after Jim Jones' death party.
Before that time this aircraft, based at Charleston AFB, SC was
a smooth running plane, but afterwards it began to break down
so frequently that it almost became legendary. I was a witness to
this fact because at the time I worked on Ascension Island, South
Atlantic some 6000 odd miles from Charleston where most of our
supply aircraft runs originated. The guys at Charleston would work
on the plane until they thought they had it fixed, then send it out
on the long flight down to Ascension to test it out. More than half
of the time, this plane would end up breaking down on Ascension
or along the way and would have to go back to Charleston for yet
another round of repairs. Most of the time, all of the other 141's
ran smoothly and only occasionally had breakdowns, but not this
plane. Anytime that one of us was due to go on vacation and saw
that plane sitting on the tarmac, somebody would end up saying,
"Oh no... your plane is '220... you will never get there on time"!!!

--

Somebody wrote:
> 

> PS - since this post relates to Jim Jones and since it was also posted
> to alt.military (and I don't have a clue why the OP did so), here is
> a tidbit of interesting info that is not exactly commonly known. Does
> anybody out there realize that Jim Jones and his followers actually
> managed to cause a military cargo aircraft to become haunted?
> It is true... according to USAF flight crew members back in the
> early1980s, C-141 tail number 50220 is the plane that carried
> all the dead bodies out of Guiana after Jim Jones' death party.
> Before that time this aircraft, based at Charleston AFB, SC was
> a smooth running plane, but afterwards it began to break down
> so frequently that it almost became legendary. I was a witness to
> this fact because at the time I worked on Ascension Island, South
> Atlantic some 6000 odd miles from Charleston where most of our
> supply aircraft runs originated. The guys at Charleston would work
> on the plane until they thought they had it fixed, then send it out
> on the long flight down to Ascension to test it out. More than half
> of the time, this plane would end up breaking down on Ascension
> or along the way and would have to go back to Charleston for yet
> another round of repairs. Most of the time, all of the other 141's
> ran smoothly and only occasionally had breakdowns, but not this
> plane. Anytime that one of us was due to go on vacation and saw
> that plane sitting on the tarmac, somebody would end up saying,
> "Oh no... your plane is '220... you will never get there on time"!!!

You are aware that no one in the Air Force ever uses the
term "tarmac" to indicate any portion of the flightline,
ramp, parking pad, taxiway, runway, or anything else?

Bozo reporters, on the other hand,  evidently love to use the
word, thinking it sounds as though it were airfield-related
jargon.

It is possible that there might have been some military
folks using the term during the early days of World War I.
That's about the time that the (British-invented) "tarmac"
(short for "Tar Maccadam") paving method was eclipsed by
more modern types.  Tarmac was mostly a mixture of tar, coal 
cinders, and ash, providing a very rough-grained but 
reasonably weatherproof surface - more lasting than the
plain gravel roadways it repaved.

Bottom line: this is NOT a first-hand account... though it
is widely known that the Jim Jones mortuary flights made the
aircraft used for purpose STINK for years afterward.

No one who uses the term "tarmac" has ever spent any real time
on a flightline.

DD - former Msgt, USAF

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:37:30 -0400, Dweezil Dwarftosser
<f4wcs@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>No one who uses the term "tarmac" has ever spent any real time
>on a flightline.
>
>DD - former Msgt, USAF

Isn't "tarmac" a British term? So perhaps it's used on the flightlines
in the Royal Air Force (and perhaps, by the Aussies, too)?

"Bender" <nononono@nononono.nono> wrote in message
news:h0g2f0hdi2h0ibat4qta89hjbl6hfch890@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:37:30 -0400, Dweezil Dwarftosser
> <f4wcs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >No one who uses the term "tarmac" has ever spent any real time
> >on a flightline.
> >
> >DD - former Msgt, USAF
>
> Isn't "tarmac" a British term? So perhaps it's used on the flightlines
> in the Royal Air Force (and perhaps, by the Aussies, too)?
>

I recall it used at RAF Lakenheath, a USAF base in the UK, but it probably
wasn't the normal term used on the flightline (which was more than likely
"flightline").

In article <40F0EE3A.97FC6B55@yahoo.com>, Dweezil Dwarftosser <f4wcs@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Somebody wrote:
> > 
> 
> > PS - since this post relates to Jim Jones and since it was also posted
> > to alt.military (and I don't have a clue why the OP did so), here is
> > a tidbit of interesting info that is not exactly commonly known. Does
> > anybody out there realize that Jim Jones and his followers actually
> > managed to cause a military cargo aircraft to become haunted?
> > It is true... according to USAF flight crew members back in the
> > early1980s, C-141 tail number 50220 is the plane that carried
> > all the dead bodies out of Guiana after Jim Jones' death party.
> > Before that time this aircraft, based at Charleston AFB, SC was
> > a smooth running plane, but afterwards it began to break down
> > so frequently that it almost became legendary. I was a witness to
> > this fact because at the time I worked on Ascension Island, South
> > Atlantic some 6000 odd miles from Charleston where most of our
> > supply aircraft runs originated. The guys at Charleston would work
> > on the plane until they thought they had it fixed, then send it out
> > on the long flight down to Ascension to test it out. More than half
> > of the time, this plane would end up breaking down on Ascension
> > or along the way and would have to go back to Charleston for yet
> > another round of repairs. Most of the time, all of the other 141's
> > ran smoothly and only occasionally had breakdowns, but not this
> > plane. Anytime that one of us was due to go on vacation and saw
> > that plane sitting on the tarmac, somebody would end up saying,
> > "Oh no... your plane is '220... you will never get there on time"!!!
> 
> You are aware that no one in the Air Force ever uses the
> term "tarmac" to indicate any portion of the flightline,
> ramp, parking pad, taxiway, runway, or anything else?
> 
> Bozo reporters, on the other hand,  evidently love to use the
> word, thinking it sounds as though it were airfield-related
> jargon.
> 
> It is possible that there might have been some military
> folks using the term during the early days of World War I.
> That's about the time that the (British-invented) "tarmac"
> (short for "Tar Maccadam") paving method was eclipsed by
> more modern types.  Tarmac was mostly a mixture of tar, coal 
> cinders, and ash, providing a very rough-grained but 
> reasonably weatherproof surface - more lasting than the
> plain gravel roadways it repaved.
> 
> Bottom line: this is NOT a first-hand account... though it
> is widely known that the Jim Jones mortuary flights made the
> aircraft used for purpose STINK for years afterward.
> 
> No one who uses the term "tarmac" has ever spent any real time
> on a flightline.
> 
> DD - former Msgt, USAF

I never did claim that the flight crews used the term tarmac.
I happened to pick it up from another older civilian coworker.
And by the way, civilians DO make up the bulk of Ascension's
population - at present and since about 1978 there are only
two regular USAF personnel on Ascension... the base commander
and his assistant. Anyhow, since the word fit well, I used it...
as also have many other's who worked on Asc. If you have a problem
with that then it is simply your problem.

> > according to USAF flight crew members back in the

I also never did claim that it was a first hand account as the above
sentence shows if you should care to actually read it. Furthermore, if
you are the least bit familiar with Ascension, then you will realize
that 1) it is indeed British and 2) your "mixture of tar, coal cinders,
and ash" quite aptly describes very commonly available materials on that
island. However the 10K + 1K overrun runway was always paved, widened
and repaved using real asphault brought in from the US by boat (at least
during the 18 years I spent there with two repavings in 1980 and again
in 1993). Even many of the local roads, normally paved with a half inch
layer of tar and cinders, got asphault coatings while they had the paving
machine and excess materials there.

If you have any further doubts that I have been near a flighline then take
a look at the pic on the following web page which I have just put up for
your benefit (must use IE - cannot use Netscape because of screwed up
changes recently made by tripod.com):

>> http://miscpict.tripod.com/wideawake.html

This is a picture I took from the antenna of the TPQ-18 radar (where
I was site chief and chief engineer) of the airstrip's parking apron
just below Cotar Hill where the radar was located. This picture was
taken just after the peak of the Falklands campaign as shown by the
presence of all the British warplanes, including the Vulcan bomber
brought out of mothballs specifically for this operation. As you can
see, I worked right next to the flighline so you can take your cynical
troll's comments and stuff them where they will not see the light
of day. I'll bet that you have never ridden on 50220 or have been
anywhere near it to see its vastly different reliability as compared
to the other 141s.

--

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 17:58:18 -0400 in triangle.general, Somebody wrote:
>
> If you have any further doubts that I have been near a flighline then
> take a look at the pic on the following web page which I have just put
> up for your benefit (must use IE - cannot use Netscape because of
> screwed up changes recently made by tripod.com):
>
>>> http://miscpict.tripod.com/wideawake.html

Displays fine in mozilla.

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Somebody wrote:
> 

> If you have any further doubts that I have been near a flighline then take
> a look at the pic on the following web page which I have just put up for
> your benefit (must use IE - cannot use Netscape because of screwed up
> changes recently made by tripod.com):
> 
> >> http://miscpict.tripod.com/wideawake.html

Nice pic; works fine in Opera, as well.

Could you point out the tarmac for me?

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 03:37:30 -0400, Dweezil Dwarftosser
<f4wcs@yahoo.com> wrote:


>
>You are aware that no one in the Air Force ever uses the
>term "tarmac" to indicate any portion of the flightline,
>ramp, parking pad, taxiway, runway, or anything else?
>
>Bozo reporters, on the other hand,  evidently love to use the
>word, thinking it sounds as though it were airfield-related
>jargon.
>

from dictionary.com

tar�mac (t�rmk) n.  A tarmacadam road or surface, especially an
airport runway.

tarmacadam
adj : covered with paving material [syn: asphalt, macadam,
macadamized, tarmac]
n 1: a paving material of tar and broken stone; mixed in a factory and
shaped during paving [syn: tarmac] 2: a surface paved with compressed
layers of broken rocks held together with tar [syn: tarmac, macadam]

In article <40F21D5A.3298EFE5@yahoo.com>, Dweezil Dwarftosser <f4wcs@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Somebody wrote:
> > 
> 
> > If you have any further doubts that I have been near a flighline then take
> > a look at the pic on the following web page which I have just put up for
> > your benefit (must use IE - cannot use Netscape because of screwed up
> > changes recently made by tripod.com):
> > 
> > >> http://miscpict.tripod.com/wideawake.html
> 
> Nice pic; works fine in Opera, as well.

You may want to grab a copy of the pic while I have it posted for public
viewing because as I pointed out, it IS unique and a moment in history
that is seldom seen by those who were not there at the time. ABC News
did manage to wangle a trip to the island for a day or two during the
brief 2 month period of hostilities after making noise about freedom
of the press but I don't believe that they ever did come up to Cotar Hill
and certainly did not have the same vantage point that I had up on the
radar antenna.

> Could you point out the tarmac for me?

Well, I suppose that all depends on your interpretation of the word...

If you take it to mean all the paved surfaces on and around a runway
as and most of the people I know do, then almost all the paved surfaces
in sight is the tarmac. And I might add that during the recent extended
honors for Ronald Reagan, one newscaster (Tom Brokaw if I remember
right) also used the term tarmac in the exact same manner.

If, however, you subscribe strictly to the dictionary definition of the
word, then the only true tarmac in the picture is the thin tar and cinder
roadway that passes by the near side of the nose hangar and off the left
side of the picture. The runway itself was asphault and if I remember
right (it HAS been 10 years since I left) the parking apron was made
of concrete. The truck parking area on the near side of that hard  to see
roadway was also made of tar and cinder materials and was used for
parking of the fire trucks and JP4/JP5 (now JP8 I believe) fuel
trucks. During the Falklands campaign though that parking area was
commandeered by the British for use by their own trucks as can be
seen in the picture.

This is the way it was with nearly all facilities on base. The Brits
came very poorly prepared for war and had to make use of all the US
base facilities including our chowhall, BX and employees club. They
swarmed all over the place in large numbers and rather than showing
gratitude for our help, went out of their way to push the US personnel
out of their way while taking over our facilities. Then in the years
after the war had ended they built their own base on the island and
immediately shut it down until they happened to need it next time.
It has also been the US who has maintained the airstrip (one of the
best in the world) ever since it was originally built during WWII
to refuel aircraft being ferried to Africa to fight Rommel's troops.

Cheers,

--

Everybody seems to be an expert on George W. Bush,

But no one can us what John "Fuck'um" Kerry has achieived in his life ?

The only thing John "Fuck'um" Kerry did is to married rich ugly women......
A fuckin' GIGOLO.



Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:

> Somebody wrote:
> >
>
> > PS - since this post relates to Jim Jones and since it was also posted
> > to alt.military (and I don't have a clue why the OP did so), here is
> > a tidbit of interesting info that is not exactly commonly known. Does
> > anybody out there realize that Jim Jones and his followers actually
> > managed to cause a military cargo aircraft to become haunted?
> > It is true... according to USAF flight crew members back in the
> > early1980s, C-141 tail number 50220 is the plane that carried
> > all the dead bodies out of Guiana after Jim Jones' death party.
> > Before that time this aircraft, based at Charleston AFB, SC was
> > a smooth running plane, but afterwards it began to break down
> > so frequently that it almost became legendary. I was a witness to
> > this fact because at the time I worked on Ascension Island, South
> > Atlantic some 6000 odd miles from Charleston where most of our
> > supply aircraft runs originated. The guys at Charleston would work
> > on the plane until they thought they had it fixed, then send it out
> > on the long flight down to Ascension to test it out. More than half
> > of the time, this plane would end up breaking down on Ascension
> > or along the way and would have to go back to Charleston for yet
> > another round of repairs. Most of the time, all of the other 141's
> > ran smoothly and only occasionally had breakdowns, but not this
> > plane. Anytime that one of us was due to go on vacation and saw
> > that plane sitting on the tarmac, somebody would end up saying,
> > "Oh no... your plane is '220... you will never get there on time"!!!
>
> You are aware that no one in the Air Force ever uses the
> term "tarmac" to indicate any portion of the flightline,
> ramp, parking pad, taxiway, runway, or anything else?
>
> Bozo reporters, on the other hand,  evidently love to use the
> word, thinking it sounds as though it were airfield-related
> jargon.
>
> It is possible that there might have been some military
> folks using the term during the early days of World War I.
> That's about the time that the (British-invented) "tarmac"
> (short for "Tar Maccadam") paving method was eclipsed by
> more modern types.  Tarmac was mostly a mixture of tar, coal
> cinders, and ash, providing a very rough-grained but
> reasonably weatherproof surface - more lasting than the
> plain gravel roadways it repaved.
>
> Bottom line: this is NOT a first-hand account... though it
> is widely known that the Jim Jones mortuary flights made the
> aircraft used for purpose STINK for years afterward.
>
> No one who uses the term "tarmac" has ever spent any real time
> on a flightline.
>
> DD - former Msgt, USAF

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 10:12:42 -0500, copolo@usa.net wrote:

>Everybody seems to be an expert on George W. Bush,
>
>But no one can us what John "Fuck'um" Kerry has achieived in his life ?
>
>The only thing John "Fuck'um" Kerry did is to married rich ugly women......
>A fuckin' GIGOLO.

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copolo@usa.net wrote in message news:<40F7F06A.73C7519C@usa.net>...
> Everybody seems to be an expert on George W. Bush,
> 
> But no one can us what John "Fuck'um" Kerry has achieived in his life ?
> 
> The only thing John "Fuck'um" Kerry did is to married rich ugly women......
> A fuckin' GIGOLO.

I think it was Dicky Cheney who last used the f word in public copolo.
 But you won't remember that would you, nice little repuglinut machine
that you are.

GR69 

> 
> 
> 
> Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
> 
> > Somebody wrote:
> > >
>  
> > > PS - since this post relates to Jim Jones and since it was also posted
> > > to alt.military (and I don't have a clue why the OP did so), here is
> > > a tidbit of interesting info that is not exactly commonly known. Does
> > > anybody out there realize that Jim Jones and his followers actually
> > > managed to cause a military cargo aircraft to become haunted?
> > > It is true... according to USAF flight crew members back in the
> > > early1980s, C-141 tail number 50220 is the plane that carried
> > > all the dead bodies out of Guiana after Jim Jones' death party.
> > > Before that time this aircraft, based at Charleston AFB, SC was
> > > a smooth running plane, but afterwards it began to break down
> > > so frequently that it almost became legendary. I was a witness to
> > > this fact because at the time I worked on Ascension Island, South
> > > Atlantic some 6000 odd miles from Charleston where most of our
> > > supply aircraft runs originated. The guys at Charleston would work
> > > on the plane until they thought they had it fixed, then send it out
> > > on the long flight down to Ascension to test it out. More than half
> > > of the time, this plane would end up breaking down on Ascension
> > > or along the way and would have to go back to Charleston for yet
> > > another round of repairs. Most of the time, all of the other 141's
> > > ran smoothly and only occasionally had breakdowns, but not this
> > > plane. Anytime that one of us was due to go on vacation and saw
> > > that plane sitting on the tarmac, somebody would end up saying,
> > > "Oh no... your plane is '220... you will never get there on time"!!!
> >
> > You are aware that no one in the Air Force ever uses the
> > term "tarmac" to indicate any portion of the flightline,
> > ramp, parking pad, taxiway, runway, or anything else?
> >
> > Bozo reporters, on the other hand,  evidently love to use the
> > word, thinking it sounds as though it were airfield-related
> > jargon.
> >
> > It is possible that there might have been some military
> > folks using the term during the early days of World War I.
> > That's about the time that the (British-invented) "tarmac"
> > (short for "Tar Maccadam") paving method was eclipsed by
> > more modern types.  Tarmac was mostly a mixture of tar, coal
> > cinders, and ash, providing a very rough-grained but
> > reasonably weatherproof surface - more lasting than the
> > plain gravel roadways it repaved.
> >
> > Bottom line: this is NOT a first-hand account... though it
> > is widely known that the Jim Jones mortuary flights made the
> > aircraft used for purpose STINK for years afterward.
> >
> > No one who uses the term "tarmac" has ever spent any real time
> > on a flightline.
> >
> > DD - former Msgt, USAF

In article <40F7F06A.73C7519C@usa.net>, copolo@usa.net wrote:
> Everybody seems to be an expert on George W. Bush,
> 
> But no one can us what John "Fuck'um" Kerry has achieived in his life ?
> 
> The only thing John "Fuck'um" Kerry did is to married rich ugly women......
> A fuckin' GIGOLO.
> 

Well he did acheive his military service with no doubts as to whether he
was ever AWOL or not.  Dubya can't say that - it is a shame that those
records were distroyed.

> 
> 
> Dweezil Dwarftosser wrote:
> 
>> Somebody wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > PS - since this post relates to Jim Jones and since it was also posted
>> > to alt.military (and I don't have a clue why the OP did so), here is
>> > a tidbit of interesting info that is not exactly commonly known. Does
>> > anybody out there realize that Jim Jones and his followers actually
>> > managed to cause a military cargo aircraft to become haunted?
>> > It is true... according to USAF flight crew members back in the
>> > early1980s, C-141 tail number 50220 is the plane that carried
>> > all the dead bodies out of Guiana after Jim Jones' death party.
>> > Before that time this aircraft, based at Charleston AFB, SC was
>> > a smooth running plane, but afterwards it began to break down
>> > so frequently that it almost became legendary. I was a witness to
>> > this fact because at the time I worked on Ascension Island, South
>> > Atlantic some 6000 odd miles from Charleston where most of our
>> > supply aircraft runs originated. The guys at Charleston would work
>> > on the plane until they thought they had it fixed, then send it out
>> > on the long flight down to Ascension to test it out. More than half
>> > of the time, this plane would end up breaking down on Ascension
>> > or along the way and would have to go back to Charleston for yet
>> > another round of repairs. Most of the time, all of the other 141's
>> > ran smoothly and only occasionally had breakdowns, but not this
>> > plane. Anytime that one of us was due to go on vacation and saw
>> > that plane sitting on the tarmac, somebody would end up saying,
>> > "Oh no... your plane is '220... you will never get there on time"!!!
>>
>> You are aware that no one in the Air Force ever uses the
>> term "tarmac" to indicate any portion of the flightline,
>> ramp, parking pad, taxiway, runway, or anything else?
>>
>> Bozo reporters, on the other hand,  evidently love to use the
>> word, thinking it sounds as though it were airfield-related
>> jargon.
>>
>> It is possible that there might have been some military
>> folks using the term during the early days of World War I.
>> That's about the time that the (British-invented) "tarmac"
>> (short for "Tar Maccadam") paving method was eclipsed by
>> more modern types.  Tarmac was mostly a mixture of tar, coal
>> cinders, and ash, providing a very rough-grained but
>> reasonably weatherproof surface - more lasting than the
>> plain gravel roadways it repaved.
>>
>> Bottom line: this is NOT a first-hand account... though it
>> is widely known that the Jim Jones mortuary flights made the
>> aircraft used for purpose STINK for years afterward.
>>
>> No one who uses the term "tarmac" has ever spent any real time
>> on a flightline.
>>
>> DD - former Msgt, USAF
> 


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