🚀 go-pugleaf

The other problem is getting past just-out-of-college-degreed HR
personnel who do not know the value of certification vs. experience. 
Any manager worth his salt would take an experienced person over
certification any day.  The cert has the paper, but the experienced
person will keep him out of trouble.  (except that usually the
experience guy (meaning older) usually needs a higher rate) 

First of all I am a DBA, And what really gets me is that, companies want
cheap.  Yea, that's it. Let's give all of our company data to a bunch of
kids to maintain... never mind they have never done it before, because
they are cheap.

<YELL volume=REALLY LOUD>
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!!!!
</YELL>

Can't tell that I have been dealing with this lately can you??? :)

Funny story from a company that made Fiber-optic junction boxes... 

A worker that applied for a new milling-machine position had the 24yr HR
person tell this guy that has been working precision milling machines
(down to micron-level measurements) for over 15 years, that because he
only has a high school diploma doesn't have the math skills for the new
position.  The Supervisor told the snot-nosed twerp that he would take
this guy over any college-degreed person any day of the week and he had
better not hear this HR person ever tell his experienced people that
because they don't have a piece of paper does not mean they cannot do
the job.


John Sessoms wrote:
> 
> regul8tr wrote:
> >
> > "Most of the latter are individuals who got into computers "for the
> > money".  Most of them should be at McDonald's flipping burgers, because
> > due their abilities should have never been hired.  Which brings me to
> > one of my pet peeves.  Certifications.  These kids paid some money, took
> > some exam and were sent a diploma.  All this tells me is that for most
> > of them, they could take a test.  Having been to school and graduated
> > does not make one a troubleshooter.  I have worked with Comp-Sci
> > graduates and Elec. Engineers that could not troubleshoot their way out
> > of a wet paper bag.  Troubleshooting is something that cannot be learned
> > unless you have this particular ability and you either have it, or you
> > don't.  "
> >
> > I Agree, I did troubleshooting for 2 years as a front line tech, and most of
> > my peers (who were certified) came to me for help. I wish BS would get with
> > the program and offer me a position, I could improve on a situation that
> > seems bad at best and total crap at worst.
> 
> Troubleshooting can be learned, but not at some quickie scam school
> that teaches nothing but the certification test. I learned
> troubleshooting in 16 weeks at the US Army Signal School. And then
> spent another 5 years of semi-OJT improving those skills.
> 
> And often the quickie schools are a scam, because they don't really
> teach enough to pass the test. It's over $10,000 for the school, then
> you have to pay more than $100 to take the test, and then have to pay
> again to take it again ... and again ...
> 
> However, what all these certification scams DO do is to put you at a
> disadvantage because you have 20 some years experience and no piece of
> paper.
> 
> --
> I do not speak for any corporation, government or organization.
> All opinions expressed are uniquely my own. Ain't nobody else to
> blame!
> 
>                 John Sessoms

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Regards,

Michael Austin
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