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damron@austin.ibm.com () writes:
>Alan R. Weiss writes :
>
>>OK, I'll say it.
>>
>>That's exactly why I'd want to have one of those weapons.
>>
>>Consider Waco, Texas and the massacre of 20 children by "our"
>>government.
>
>Remember the people in Waco had amassed a rather impressive collection of
>firearms and it did them little good against the government.

    Actually their collection was below average for most Texas gunowners.

    It did manage to keep most of them alive till the government raised
    the ante and started destroying the place. 

    Did you know it's legal in Texas for a person to shoot a cop who is
    using more force than is necessary to carry out his job?

    Koresh was certainly not a saint or hero, but the goverment was
    an even bigger fool. Koresh had already been politely to court
    for more serious charges than weapons violations. The government
    lied to get the search warrant, never tried to serve the warrant
    properly, fired the first shots to kill the Davidians' dogs,
    and even used guns left at the scene by injured ATF agents as
    evidence of firearms violations by the Davidians!!

    And to top it off, most of the Davidians jailed as a result of this
    miscarriage of due process and justice, were jailed for "firearms
    possession during commission of a felony" without ever being convicted
    of the requisite felony...

>>Consider the fact that the D.E.A. can burst in and sieze your home
>>and EVERYTHING you own without probable cause - God bless the RICO
>>act, don't you know ....
>
>I have difficulty conceiving of a situation where a citizen either uses or
>threatens to use deadly force against law enforcement and does not end up
>either dead or in jail for a long long time.

    Anybody know where Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris are right now?

>>The fact that "our" government cannot protect its own citizens, and
>>turns on its own citizens for political reasons, is reason enough
>>to protect oneself.  Different people feel different levels
>>of paranoia depending on which day they are asked, but NO ONE is
>>no longer sure that the Government is so well run and so ethical
>>and moral that Bad Surprises couldn't happen.
>
>Vigilence at the ballot box is a more effective way of controlling the 
>government than the use of firearms.  

    Sure, for now. However, would you like to go down a list of the 
    countries which have fallen from power or completely disappeared in
    the last 218 years? Do you think the ONLY reason we're different
    is because we can vote? I think it's because we (the people) are
    the real power in this nation, power through a balance of the ballot
    box, the jury box, and the cartridge box, and even the soap box
    to some degree. 
    
    Do you think the government has NO respect for citizens who are
    willing to fight should it get completely out of hand? 

>If it ever comes to the point where the
>average citizen feels compelled to take up arms against our government then
>we have no one to blame but each other.  

    At which point the liberals will lay down and grovel at their new
    master's feet.

    That's why we need to keep it within its cage and control it before
    it gets out of control. We can't allow the government to control 
    of our guns any more than we can allow it to control our votes.



-- 
    Kevin Langston   
    langston@frontier.lonestar.org