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In article <atno2l$sqpa$1@ID-149074.news.dfncis.de>,
 "phxbrd" <phxbrd@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > One strange thing about illegal entry to this country is that our
> > government is aggresive in deporting people from Haiti, Cuba, China and
> > other countries who come here as " economic " refugees ... because they
> > want to make more money and improve their lives. Unless they can prove
> > they are in danger of being killed and / or imprisoned for political
> > activities are they allowed to stay. Otherwise they are summarily sent
> home.
> >
> > But Mexicans are welcomed with open arms when they come " to seek a
> > better life and feed their familes". The government is even negotiating
> > with Mexico to arrange unlimited numbers to come here for economic
> reasons.
> 
> Both theirs and ours, as luck would have it.
> 
> Any person of any nationality is turned back when they're caught, even
> Mexicans.

"When they're caught"

That's a rare when.



> 
> The fundamental truth is that not all are caught while entering illegally.
> Most are not even caught during 'sweeps' conducted by the INS.  In simple
> truth, unless you fervently desire to turn ths country into a police state,
> there is no way to send home every illegal presently here.  Hiring several
> million more 'Immi' troops would just be the tip of the iceberg.  They'd
> need an entirely new infrastructure to support them.


There is no need to do anything more than *enforce existing laws*.

Dallas now accepts Mexican consulate ID's for anything.

This is the ID you give a cop, or the license bureau, bank - it means 
you are an illegal alien, and unable to produce documents that legal 
residents get.

This doesn't make a lot of sense.

Te only way an illegal gets deported is to be caught at the border, or 
one of these ocassional "round ups".

Reality is that they an operate in all ways that a legal citizen can, 
with no need to fret their illegality.

This is insane.





> 
> Since profiling is illegal, every single person in this country must be
> forced to prove their right to be here.  How many here could do that?
> Remember all you've said about how easy it is to forge documents?  Many
> would find themselves returning to the old country because they lack hard
> evidence of their legal status here.


So, the system is so complicated, we have to ignore it.

If we simply enforced the same standards we do with other lawbreakers, 
there would be no need for this "proving of a right to be here".

After they realize that the US does not welcome illegal immigration, and 
the instances of success are the exception - only then will things 
change.

As it is, the breakdown in immigration control is one of the most 
serious issues this country faces. That's because they are exploitable, 
and protected by the Racism Police.

If by chance the borders are overrun by conservative white men from 
other countries, then you'll see an outcry.




> 
> Remember also that while Mexico is our border neighbor, it's claimed that
> only about half our illegals are Mexican nationals.  The other half come
> from nearly every country in the world.  Do you want them deported along
> with Mexicans, or are they OK if they're white?


I don;pt ccare if they are green - they're outta here.


> 
> Forget the onion pickers, illegals are to be found at all levels of our
> society, and in nearly every field of endeavor.

There is no statistic whatsoever to suggest that, even if in fact it 
mattered.

As most do, you define this as argument about racism. Either you are 
cluseless, or agenda-driven. Either way, there's not a single 
identifiable advantage to lax immigration. The only people that dispute 
this are American liberals, and the arguments are based on racism or the 
noble savage theory.


Pretending the magic
> round-up will not cripple our economy is mere childish whistling in the
> dark.  You need to stop and really think that through.  Among the supposed
> 12 million are many key personnel, whether you like it or not.

Frankly, this line of argument is hilarious.

The premise is from the twilight zone. And somehow, even if this 
upper-management infestation of illegals existed, it is indicacitve of 
the advantages of illegal immigration.

You lose on all counts.

> 
> Pretending that our unemployed can and will fill all jobs vacated is simply
> ludicrous.  You might get some welfare titters off their asses if you pay
> them $25/hr, but who's going to train them - assuming falsely they can all
> be trained, that is?  Many need weeks of training on how to even show up for
> work every day - that's truth and you know it.

Wow, workers need to be trained.

We need to import illiterate rurals from a third world country becaue we 
just don't have enough people smart enought to run a freakin' drive-thru.


> 
> Back to the basics - Supply & Demand allows illegals to come here and
> flourish.  If there were no room for them they wouldn't be here.  Your
> federal gummint recognizes such basic reality even if you lot do not.  It's
> a win/win situation for both Mexico and the US, discounting the personal
> rage felt by some of our scummiest citizens who simply hate Mexicans.

There you go with your only argument, this alleged racism.

When a legal immigrant voices the same concerns I and others do 
concerning illegal immigration, what do you use for logic then?

How do you think they feel, having worked hard to get here, following 
the laws (remember, we are a nation of laws), just to have others skip 
the line?

This actually bolsters your argument about having to import intellect, I 
know several legal immigrants that might consider your acumen on this 
subject somewhat...ignorant.


> 
> If you're going to wave the flag and spout jingoistic and chauvinistic
> rhetoric


As opposed to arguments based on pure emotion, with absolutely no fact 
or logic to bolster.




be ready to address every aspect implied by your recommendations;
> tell how much personal freedom you're willing to give up,


None. There's  no need to. Take away the back-door bypass to existing 
laws, and fewer people will die in the desert.




> tell how much more
> staggering taxes you're willing to pay,


You have it precisely backwards.




tell how you'll implement the
> 'sweep', tell SPECIFICALLY how you'll fill all vacated jobs, tell how many
> troops it'll take to seal all borders tight, tell how robbing our citizenry
> to meet the manpower needs will strengthen our nation, tell how many of us
> will NOT be engaged full-time in your ethnic cleansing, tell what the
> deported Mexicans will eat when they're returned to unemployment and poverty
> in Mexico, etc., etc., etc.
> 
> 

There you go again..."ethnic cleansing".

You are very far from understanding the realities of this issue. Until 
you overcome your prejudices, you will continue to advocate a 
nonsensical position. You simply don't have a clue.