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"Mike Smith" <mws@wt.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 02:57:48 GMT, Frank Matthews
> <MATTHEWS@MATH.CL.UH.EDU> wrote:
>
> >Look folks the concept of closing the border is a fantasy.  While it
> >would help the steel mills can you imagine stringing barbed wire in our
> >National Parks?  And how much are you willing to raise taxes to pay the
> >couple of million federal workers needed to patrol?
>
> Ummmmm... Protecting our Nation's borders is a function of the federal
> government. Are you attempting to state that the feds should abandon
> one of their constitutionally mandated  functions? And where did you
> get that fantasy about stringing barbed wire?

LOL.  Barbed wire works good for keeping livestock gathered in, and out of
harm's way.  It ain't worth a damn for keeping people, or anything besides
more livestock, out.
The livestock that escapes from the fences destroyed by illegal trespass
costs a bundle in terms of damaged livestock, damages caused by livestock,
lost livestock, sick livestock, time to gather loose livestock, etc. etc.

> >
> >If you want control of illegal immigration you are going to have to get
> >control of the jobs.  If the CEOs & CFOs of corporations were spending
> >time in the slammer for conspiracy to get illegals hired by their
> >contractors you might see some improvement.  Unless anyone hiring an
> >illegal is at at least as much risk of time in the slammer as a drug
> >dealer you will have folks coming across.  They aren't to blame the fat
> >cats getting them for cheap workers are the cause.
> >
> >Frank Matthews
>
> You just don't know a whole lot about big business, do you.
>
> Anyone intentionally hiring an illegal is subject to a fine from the
> INS. Anyone hiring anyone must fill out an I-9 form, verifying that
> person's employability, along with photocopies of the I-9 required
> info.
>

Making photocopies is not required by law.  Most employers, however, _do_
make copies so if/when they are questioned about documents, they have proof
that they did in fact ask to see the documents.  It is all part of the game.
They also are not required, technically, to verify eligibility for
employment, but merely verify that the person has the required documents in
their possesion.  Also part of the game.
Currently there is no means for an employer to verify that your social
security number matches your name matches you.  The Social Security
Administration will eventually catch that the name and the number do not
match, and will mail out no-match letters to employers.  Often it takes them
6 months or more for them to make the catch.  The no-match letters are also
part of the current game.  The employer will then tell the illegal alien
employee, who will get another number, and start the process all over again.
The biggest flaw in the game is that in order to prosecute an employer it
must be proven that they intentionally employed an illegal alien.  As long
as they have their copies, they are in the clear.

Now, take a look at this data base.
http://www.cis.org/sanctions/
You can search it online, or at the bottom of the page is a link to download
the database.  There were 58,000 records of employers who have been
sanctioned for employment of illegal aliens.  In this database you will find
everything from restaraunts, construction, banks, courts - the entire
spectrum.  Some of them have hundreds of violations.
58,000 sounds like a lot.  But there are 12+ million illegal aliens in this
country.

> We don't need more laws and restrictions; we need to enforce the laws
> already on the books.
>
> Mike Smith

You are right that we need to enforce the laws already on the books.  There
are some loop holes being exploited by employers that need to be closed.
When we live in a country where at the drop of a hat a creditor can pull up
every stitch of information on me, right down to how many pimples I have on
my ass, and there is no way for an employer to verify identity and
eligibility, there is something really bad wrong.  12+ million illegal
aliens.  And not a single employer behind bars.  Yet.

For the most part, it looks like it is more Enron business practices running
law enforcement on employers.