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"Lady Liberty" <LadyLiberty@UPAlliance.orgXX> wrote in message
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: "Kingfish." <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com>  said, and I quote:
:
: >
: > "Lady Liberty" <LadyLiberty@UPAlliance.orgXX> wrote in message
: > news:3df6935a_4@omega.dimensional.com...
: >: "Kingfish." <spam_trap_void@yahoo.com>  said, and I quote:
: >: ...
: >: >: > I don't think someone has to be a bigot to not want unlimited
: >: >: > numbers of people illegally coming into this country.
: >: >:
: >: >: Why is that?  Do you think we've abused so many nationalities that
: >: >: we're likely to be punished by anyone not American?  There was a
: >: >: time when all looked up to us.
: >: >:
: >: >: Every single 9-11 attacker came here legally.  Our attacking workers
: >: > coming
: >: >: in peace smacks of the mentality of grabbing guns from all when a
: >: >: few misbehave.  We can't find terrorist leaders, so let's beat up
: >: >: some
: >: > innocent
: >: >: but ambitious Mexicans, huh?
: >: >:
: >: >
: >: > and onto some Libertarian ideals... like freedom of movement - is
: >: > that for us and not for "them?"  This sounds more like the John Birch
: >: > Society than even small "L" libertarianism.
: >:
: >: No one said all libertarians have to think exactly the same, and I
: >: think some libs are wrong in thinking we should just open our borders
: >: to the whole world. It doesn't work the way they claim it would.
: >
: > So we should be able to drive any speed we want,
:
: As long as you're responsible and don't harm anyone. Just like with free
: speech, eh?

no.  being able to put others in direct physical danger because you feel like it is not liberty. it
is not like freedom of speech - not at all.

: > come and go across our
: > boarders as we please, but lock out certain undesireables?
:
: Are we allowed to go work in any country we want at any time? How many
: countries allow us to just go work there without permission and have
: unlimited open immigration?

If somehow through big-government action - coercion might even be the word - Canada took all of our
jobs and made it unprofitable for us to work here, we'de be jumping our northern boarder, too.
People don't leave their homeland, only to become criminals just because of where their feet are
planted for kicks.

: >: > Why aren't the militias lining up at the Canadian boarder?
: >:
: >: Why isn't our own government defending the borders of this country?
: >: Isn't that its job? We have a Coast Guard to supposedly defend our
: >: water borders, why isn't the government defending ALL our borders?
: >
: > economics.
:
: Nope, try again. They're spending $200-400 BILLION JUST to get Saddam, BTW.

perhaps the economic boost that they can get away with.  Most of the 200+ billion is being spent
here, being paid to US corporations, boosting our economy.  Almost everything is economics when you
get right down to it.

:
: >: > There are
: >: > tons of illegal Canadians here in the US, but they are white enough
: >: > for us.  Why don't we close the Mexican boarder in a real way?
: >: > Simple: we need the slave labor.
: >:
: >: No one is slave labor if there's mutual consent, get off it.
: >
: > when the choices - because of your heratige - are zero or one dollars an
: > hour there is slavery.
:
: Simply not true. You're making your own new definition, like when
: socialists claim that someone is a slave because they need to work for
: minimum wage. It trivializes the definition.
:
: Oh, I'm just a slave over that hot stove. Darn.
:

you trivialize the definition - you know you need to eat so you work and you can.  When the economic
actions of one country shut down anothers' economy - we have coercion.


: > When you have to choose loss of liberty to feed
: > your kids, there is slave labor.
:
: What loss of liberty?

when you have no choice but to become a "felon" in order to cross a boarder - giving up all of your
"rights" (is that an international thing or not?) in order to feed yourself or your family because
of economic bullying - you have lost your liberty.


: When I have to work for less than $100 an hour, I feel like slave labor
: too, but come on, that trivializes the word.
:

yes, _that_ does trivialize the word.

: Lots of people in this world, probably MOST, are doing things they'd rather
: not have to do, to survive.

don't you realize that the level of things one would "rather not do" varies greatly?  Dependant
directly upon who's government is bigger?  The same government that wants to control handguns in the
US is the same government that is governing Mexico by economic proxy.

 That doesn't equal slavery. It's a hyperbolic
: collectivist terminology for exactly that, when someone does something
: they'd rather not do, because they need to survive.

There are 12 year olds that need to prostitue themselves in Thailand in order to survive.  Is that
hyperbolic?  You can't concern yourself with only your own freedom and still have any.

: > When your homeland is not in charge of
: > it's own destiny because of the social and economic engineering of the
: > World Bank and the IMF, there is slave labor.
:
: Hogwash, Mexico is not in charge because of absolutely rampant corruption,
: socialist value systems and little value for literacy.

and I say many of the conditions that are present in Mexico today are as a direct result of our
policies - from both the D's and the R's.

: >: > Does it worry any of you that so much of our IT work (including
: >: > hi-tec, cryptography, satellite imaging, etc.) is being outsourced to
: >: > places like India?  Most aren't, but that's because we don't have to
: >: > see their dark faces, IMO.  There is a much greater security threat
: >: > there than anyone that is coming over from Mexico with the desire for
: >: > a better life.
: >:
: >: You want to shut down the internet?
: >
: > no, not at all.  I do think that the US should protect it's people by
: > way of some common sense and we need to realize that the stakes here are
: > much bigger and the problem much more complex than some Mexicans jumping
: > the boarder so they can work.
:
: Jumping the boarder? In the boarding house? :)
:
: >  There are some good solid reasons why
: > they are heading North and we are not innocent bystanders - the problem
: > is not solved at the boarder but rather at those underlying problems
: > that cause them to want to move here in droves.
:
: On that, I agree with you.

People generally would prefer to remain in their homeland.  Something is very wrong when they run
away/to in droves.  Do you believe that the only thing wrong with the US is the attack on the 2nd
amendment?  Could the US government be in the business of erroding the rights of Mexicans, just as
it is in eroding the rights of its' own citizens?  I think so.


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