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Article #529Re: Not one person in WWII said"...under God"
From: Merlin Dorfman
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:10
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:10
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Mike Smith (mws@wt.net) wrote:
: On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:05:35 GMT, Hagbard Celine
: <All_Powerful@Illuminati.org> wrote:
: >Should a zealously patriotic atheist have the right to participate in
: >a voluntary program created by government without being forced to make
: >statements contrary to their religious belief?
: >
: Should a zealously patriotic atheist be able to tell the rest of the
: Nation that we MUST change our pledge because he doesn't believe in
: God? Even though he is not being FORCED to recite the "under God"
: part?
Nobody can be forced to recite the Pledge at all. However the
courts have ruled that a government-sponsored prayer (which includes
the Pledge while it contains the words, "Under God") applies undue
pressure and thus violates the rights of those who would not
participate without this pressure.
I'm completely unclear as to why anybody would _want_ the
government to sponsor prayers.
: Why do we have to bow down to his wishes, and he doesn't have to bow
: down to the rest of our wishes? Especially when the phrase "under God"
: does not violate his 1st Amendment rights.
Because his wishes are, according to the court, in conformance
with the First Amendment, and the phrase "Under God" is in violation
of it.
Please clarify for me, Mike: when you say, "the phrase 'Under
God' does not violate his 1st Amendment rights," are you simply
saying the court was wrong or is there more to it?
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