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"Jim Backus" <jhb@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> Hi,
>
> The copy of Word I use at work has a very annoying problem - if a
> document has pictures of any sort they display sporadically. Sometimes
> the picture can be made to appear by scrolling down and up again but
> this doesn't work reliably. Sometimes the pictures display without a
> problem and on other occasions they never display. This applies to all
> sorts of pictures - .GIF, .JPG, embedded Visio drawings, even Word
> pictures. As the documents I work on usually have a number of pictures
> it is very annoying and lowers productivity.
>
> The PC is running Windows XP at SP2. Word is version 2002 at SP3. The
> PC is a reasonably modern small form factor HP with 512 MB Ram.
>
> Word is set up to display paragraph marks and tabs only (i.e. not all
> hidden items)
>
> As it's a work PC, there is no option to upgrade to Vista, Word 2007
> or Open Office until the company as a whole upgrades.
>
> I've contacted our Hell Desk and they admit they've seen the problem
> before but cannot remember the solution.
>
> So ... have the great minds and experience of these NGs got any
> suggestions?
>
> TIA
>
> Jim
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Try turning down Graphics Accelerator if its now ok that new drivers (or 
graphics Card) are needed then again emptying temp folders works wonders 
too. 

On Sep 19, 8:47 pm, "Jim Backus" <j...@nospam.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The copy of Word I use at work has a very annoying problem - if a
> document has pictures of any sort they display sporadically. Sometimes
> the picture can be made to appear by scrolling down and up again but
> this doesn't work reliably. Sometimes the pictures display without a
> problem and on other occasions they never display. This applies to all
> sorts of pictures - .GIF, .JPG, embedded Visio drawings, even Word
> pictures. As the documents I work on usually have a number of pictures
> it is very annoying and lowers productivity.
>
> The PC is running Windows XP at SP2. Word is version 2002 at SP3. The
> PC is a reasonably modern small form factor HP with 512 MB Ram.
>
> Word is set up to display paragraph marks and tabs only (i.e. not all
> hidden items)
>
> As it's a work PC, there is no option to upgrade to Vista, Word 2007
> or Open Office until the company as a whole upgrades.
>
> I've contacted our Hell Desk and they admit they've seen the problem
> before but cannot remember the solution.

Do they know about the MickeySoft "knowledgebase"? I know the indexing
is pretty hopeless, but from your description it sounds to me like the
problem may be covered by:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/285957/en-us

My favourite Word gotcha with embedded images is a fault that causes
new images that are drag and dropped onto existing images in a
document under some wierd set of circumstance to create orphanned
bitmap or metafile image data which stays in the file and gradually
gets bigger with every revision. Seems to be particularly bad if there
are multiple authors of the document spanning several versions of
Word. Corporate procedures tend to suffer this fate.

The best I have seen was a 60MB file containing 4x 1MB images and 6
pages of A4 text (should be ~5MB).
>
> So ... have the great minds and experience of these NGs got any
> suggestions?

Regards,
Martin Brown

In demon.tech.pc, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:47:21, Jim Backus wrote:

>The copy of Word I use at work has a very annoying problem

Get Openoffice installed.  It understands Word docs (and Excel stuff 
etc) and can save in MS formats.  Tell the boss it's the 'Right Price'. 
;)

-- 
Jim Crowther.

West London MAG: Popes Grotto, Twickenham, every Tuesday from 21:00 onwards.

In message <feFMDQXjvY8GFwgj@nospam.at.my.choice.of.UID.invalid>, Jim 
Crowther <Don't_bother@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> writes
>In demon.tech.pc, on Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:47:21, Jim Backus wrote:
>
>>The copy of Word I use at work has a very annoying problem
>
>Get Openoffice installed.  It understands Word docs (and Excel stuff 
>etc) and can save in MS formats.  Tell the boss it's the 'Right Price'. 
>;)
>
Unfortunately, as good as Open Office is, it doesn't render some complex 
Word layouts with graphics correctly.
-- 
Duncan K
Downtown Dalgety Bay

Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Wed, 19 Sep
2007 22:21:02 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do uk.comp.misc,
yawatina tan reek esk Duncan Kennedy <obg@nospamotterson-bg.couk> fornis do
marikano es bono tan el:

>Unfortunately, as good as Open Office is, it doesn't render some complex 
>Word layouts with graphics correctly.

When Word layouts start getting more complex than a few columns and the odd
picture, you know it's time to move on to a desktop publishing package and
stop trying to hit a nail in with a screwdriver...

deKay
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deKay wrote:

>Duncan Kennedy wrote

>> Unfortunately, as good as Open Office is, it doesn't render some
>> complex Word layouts with graphics correctly.
>
> When Word layouts start getting more complex than a few columns and
> the odd picture, you know it's time to move on to a desktop
> publishing package and stop trying to hit a nail in with a
> screwdriver...

Maybe the pictures are unnecessarily big. This would explain why they take a 
long time to load. Unless it is for desktop publishing, try lowering the 
resolution until you get a less than acceptable result on the printer you 
are using. It's suprising how low a resolution will still give a good 
result.
To save the annoying effect, and at least give you the opportunity to see 
how the pictures fit within the text you could turn on picture placeholders, 
this gives you simple frames showing the positions of the pictures.

Jim Backus wrote

> As it's a work PC, there is no option to upgrade to Vista, Word 2007
> or Open Office until the company as a whole upgrades.

I can't imagine 'upgrading' (is that a correct description? ;-) ) to Vista 
on any existing machine would do anything other than slow it down. And Word 
2007 would simply add even more unnecessary features.

In message <d963f3dam6e7ul6e0eef9bmikevug1qb2q@4ax.com>, deKay 
<andyk@deleteme.lofi-gaming.nospam.org.uk.invalid> writes
>Soni tempori elseu romani yeof helsforo nisson ol sefini ill des Wed, 19 Sep
>2007 22:21:02 +0100, sefini jorgo geanyet des mani yeof do uk.comp.misc,
>yawatina tan reek esk Duncan Kennedy <obg@nospamotterson-bg.couk> fornis do
>marikano es bono tan el:
>
>>Unfortunately, as good as Open Office is, it doesn't render some complex
>>Word layouts with graphics correctly.
>
>When Word layouts start getting more complex than a few columns and the odd
>picture, you know it's time to move on to a desktop publishing package and
>stop trying to hit a nail in with a screwdriver...
>
Would you like to tell several of my clients that  *again?   :-)

Anyway they would only use Publisher and I try not to use that......

-- 
Duncan K
Downtown Dalgety Bay

Jim Backus wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The copy of Word I use at work has a very annoying problem - if a 
> document has pictures of any sort they display sporadically. Sometimes
> the picture can be made to appear by scrolling down and up again but 
> this doesn't work reliably. Sometimes the pictures display without a 
> problem and on other occasions they never display. This applies to all
> sorts of pictures - .GIF, .JPG, embedded Visio drawings, even Word 
> pictures. As the documents I work on usually have a number of pictures
> it is very annoying and lowers productivity.
> 
> The PC is running Windows XP at SP2. Word is version 2002 at SP3. The 
> PC is a reasonably modern small form factor HP with 512 MB Ram.
> 
> Word is set up to display paragraph marks and tabs only (i.e. not all 
> hidden items)
> 
> As it's a work PC, there is no option to upgrade to Vista, Word 2007 
> or Open Office until the company as a whole upgrades.
> 
> I've contacted our Hell Desk and they admit they've seen the problem 
> before but cannot remember the solution.
> 
> So ... have the great minds and experience of these NGs got any 
> suggestions?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Jim

I have seen a similar problem and my conclusion was that it seemed to be 
a "feature" introduced by a combination of Word (2000/2003) and HP 
printer drivers. There was an additional feature that caused overlapping 
pictures to be printed with the layers in the wrong order - useless :-(

If you have HP printers and others, it could be worth setting the 
default printer to the "other" make, or even temporarily installing an 
Apple laserwriter as default to check.

I have also seen problems arise where the printer is networked - 
everything was slow to load, which included windows explorer.

PeeGee
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