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phil@vision25.demon.co.uk (Phil Hunt) writes:
> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
> I get hold of them?

I don't know if they have been ported to MSDOS,
but they *have* been ported to Win32 (and work in WinNT)

ftp://ftp.cygnus.com/pub/gnu-win32/

That may work for you,


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>>>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 96 06:26:00 GMT, phil@vision25.demon.co.uk (Phil Hunt) said:

That's easy, use Yahoo and search for GNU.  Or go to ftp.cdrom.com and
browse for the SIMTEL DOS archive I think it is.  You want the DJGPP
section which includes a whole batch of GNU tools.  Also check in same
archive for GNUISH directory which contains another set of GNU tool
implementations.  They haven't always worked reliably under DOS or DOS
under Windows, but everything seems to be getting better.  The new V2
djgpp tools seem very nice: they have new and better support for
extended memory for instance.


    Phil> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg
    Phil> sort, grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and
    Phil> if so where do I get hold of them?

    Phil> -- Phil Hunt Eurolang, a common second language for the
    Phil> European Union. See: Eurolang, comuna dua lang per la Europa
    Phil> Unized. Vidu: <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm>

On Wed, 20 Nov 96 06:26:00 GMT, Phil Hunt <phil@vision25.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
>grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
>I get hold of them?

You can find them at:

ftp://oak.oakland.edu/pub/simtelnet/gnu/gnuish/

There are several UK simtel mirrors such as:

ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/simtelnet

but it was busy, so I couldn't tell if the gnu tools were there.

Dave Cook

dcook@mozart.cts.com (David M. Cook) writes:

> You can find them at:

	Are there any  man pages about MS-DOS on  MS-DOS ? I mean, not
manual pages of UNIX commands, but manual pages of MS-DOS command. For
example, I can  do: man autoexec.bat and I'd  have a  manual reference
for autoexec.bat. I really hate to have to either have  a book or keep
everything in my head...

	Thanks !
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Yeah.

GNU is the answer.

They have gawk, bison, flex etc...

Good  luck,


Phil Hunt <phil@vision25.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<848471160snz@vision25.demon.co.uk>...
> 
> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
> I get hold of them?
> 
> -- 
> Phil Hunt
> Eurolang, a common second language for the European Union. See:
> Eurolang, comuna dua lang per la Europa Unized. Vidu:
>    <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm>
> 
> 

On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:15:25 GMT, Georges KO <m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw>
wrote:

>dcook@mozart.cts.com (David M. Cook) writes:
>
>> You can find them at:
>
>	Are there any  man pages about MS-DOS on  MS-DOS ? I mean, not
>manual pages of UNIX commands, but manual pages of MS-DOS command. For
>example, I can  do: man autoexec.bat and I'd  have a  manual reference
>for autoexec.bat. I really hate to have to either have  a book or keep
>everything in my head...
>
>	Thanks !
>-- 
> Georges KO [ m52021@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw http://mtc.ntnu.edu.tw:52021/~m52021/ ]

Of course!
Type your command followed by /?
Also type help to get an online manual.
The same with DRDOS/Novell DOS : you can also type /h instead of /?
and dosbook instead of help.

Hoping this helps!

JCG

On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Phil Hunt wrote:
> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
> I get hold of them?

There are several commercial packages out. I use the MKS Toolkit from
Mortice Kern Systems. It even comes with the Korn shell.

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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996 12:14:09 GMT, jgaraud@faust.u-strasbg.fr
(Jean-Claude GARAUD) wrote:

>Of course!
>Type your command followed by /?
>Also type help to get an online manual.
>The same with DRDOS/Novell DOS : you can also type /h instead of /?
>and dosbook instead of help.

You can also use HELP (command name).. Help gives more in depth
information for DOS, and does have information of AUTOEXEC.BAT
CONFIG.SYS, etc...

(Must have DOS 5.0 > to work.)

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In article <56ug5e$k2@ordeal.cts.com> dmcook@cts.com "David M. Cook" writes:
>There are several UK simtel mirrors such as:
>
>ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/simtelnet
>
>but it was busy, so I couldn't tell if the gnu tools were there.

They were. Under gnu/gnuish IIRC.

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   <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm>

In article <qkohgtb00i.fsf@mtc.ntnu.edu.tw>
           kott@ccms.ntu.edu.tw "Georges KO" writes:
>> You can find them at:
>
>        Are there any  man pages about MS-DOS on  MS-DOS ? I mean, not
>manual pages of UNIX commands, but manual pages of MS-DOS command. For
>example, I can  do: man autoexec.bat and I'd  have a  manual reference
>for autoexec.bat. I really hate to have to either have  a book or keep
>everything in my head...

On some versions of DOS you can type 'help' at the command prompt to
bring up help information.

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   <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm>

Phil Hunt wrote:
> 
> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
> I get hold of them?
> 
> --
> Phil Hunt
> Eurolang, a common second language for the European Union. See:
> Eurolang, comuna dua lang per la Europa Unized. Vidu:
>    <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm>

Depending on how many DOS apps you use, why not consider porting them
to Unix!  You'll thank yourself in the end, save money and get  *much*
higer performance!  Maybe somebody has done it already!

Nick.

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In article <32946A6F.167EB0E7@leeds.ac.uk>
           N.J.Bailey@leeds.ac.uk "N J Bailey" writes:
>Phil Hunt wrote:
>> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
>> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
>> I get hold of them?
>
>Depending on how many DOS apps you use, why not consider porting them
>to Unix!  You'll thank yourself in the end, save money and get  *much*
>higer performance!  Maybe somebody has done it already!

I've got Linux on my other machine. If I have a DOS machine as well, I
can get the best of both worlds.

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   <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm>

Phil Hunt <phil@vision25.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
> I get hold of them?

There is the gnuish distribution, but I'd forget about that. Go to
www.delorie.com and check out DJGPP.

This is a port of GNU GCC to Dos, and using this (and available from
the same places) are the GNU file, text and shell utilities and also
bash for Dos.

And, if you run them under Win95, they are long filenames aware. 

I have the whole lot installed here on my Win95 machine and along with
Emacs for Win95 and perl for Win95 I have pretty much the same tools
on my Win95 machine that I do on my Linux machine.

Heaven. :-)

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N J Bailey wrote:
> 
> Phil Hunt wrote:
> >
> > Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
> > grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
> > I get hold of them?
> >
> > --
> > Phil Hunt
> > Eurolang, a common second language for the European Union. See:
> > Eurolang, comuna dua lang per la Europa Unized. Vidu:
> >    <http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/eurolang.htm>
> 
> Depending on how many DOS apps you use, why not consider porting them
> to Unix!  You'll thank yourself in the end, save money and get  *much*
> higer performance!  Maybe somebody has done it already!
>
Why port? Dosemu runs loads of DOS software already - even games like
Duke Nukem 3D. The only fly in the ointment is lack of through
support for soundcards - you can play the big games but in silence!

Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. When Caldera finaly
release the source code for DR DOS we should expect DOSEMU to
be eventualy bomb proof and self contained. 
> Nick.
> 
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In article <848631595snz@vision25.demon.co.uk> phil@vision25.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <32946A6F.167EB0E7@leeds.ac.uk>
>           N.J.Bailey@leeds.ac.uk "N J Bailey" writes:
>>Phil Hunt wrote:
>>> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
>>> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
>>> I get hold of them?

There is (was) a Unix-like toolkit for MS-DOS, called MKS. It runs
pretty well (until, of course, you have seen a real Unix). It is (was)
sold by:

Mortice Kern Systems, 35 King Street North, Waterloo, Canada.

In my turn I would appreciate to know if it still exists.



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In article <57bebl$sc6$1@newnews.mikom.csir.co.za>, Michael Moller
(mmoller@mmoller.mikom.csir.co.za) wrote:
> On this note: Has anyone tried porting bash to dos?  If not why not?
> I'd imagine that the executable would have to be smaller than 64k, but
> even a watered-down bash would be an improvement over command.com.

Rather you than me!

Howver there already is a free (mostly) POSIX.2-compliant sh for DOS
(and OS/2 and NT), and it's not bad.

You'll find it at:
ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/computing/systems/ibmpc/simtel/msdos/sysutil/
ms_sh23[bs].zip

and other good SIMTEL20 mirrors, I guess.

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In article <57bebl$sc6$1@newnews.mikom.csir.co.za>,
mmoller@mmoller.mikom.csir.co.za (Michael Moller) wrote:
>On this note: Has anyone tried porting bash to dos?  If not why not?
>I'd imagine that the executable would have to be smaller than 64k, but
>even a watered-down bash would be an improvement over command.com.


 The Cygnus port of gcc to Win32, includes a bash port in the
 distribution.  But that may not be what you're looking for given
 that you'd need $$ MB of NT or Win95 to run it rather than DOS <g>

 I can never remember the url, something like:

 http://www.cygnus.com/cygwin-32


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stefan.kapus@zetnet.co.uk (Stefan Kapusniak) writes:
> In article <57bebl$sc6$1@newnews.mikom.csir.co.za>,
> mmoller@mmoller.mikom.csir.co.za (Michael Moller) wrote:
> >On this note: Has anyone tried porting bash to dos?  If not why not?
> >I'd imagine that the executable would have to be smaller than 64k, but
> >even a watered-down bash would be an improvement over command.com.
> 
>  The Cygnus port of gcc to Win32, includes a bash port in the
>  distribution.  But that may not be what you're looking for given
>  that you'd need $$ MB of NT or Win95 to run it rather than DOS <g>
> 
>  I can never remember the url, something like:
> 
>  http://www.cygnus.com/cygwin-32

There's now an alpha port of bash to DJGPP under DOS. I haven't got
round to trying it yet, and it certainly won't replace
COMMAND.COM... You should load it in AUTOEXEC.BAT, after which you'll
get a fully Unix-like environment (with the DJGPP shell utilities
etc.). It's available on any site carrying DJGPP 2, including
SimTel.Net mirrors.

Stephen

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On this note: Has anyone tried porting bash to dos?  If not why not?
I'd imagine that the executable would have to be smaller than 64k, but
even a watered-down bash would be an improvement over command.com.

...just another random thought...

l8r
mike

On 25 Nov 1996, Hans Paaimans wrote:

> In article <848631595snz@vision25.demon.co.uk> phil@vision25.demon.co.uk writes:
> >In article <32946A6F.167EB0E7@leeds.ac.uk>
> >           N.J.Bailey@leeds.ac.uk "N J Bailey" writes:
> >>Phil Hunt wrote:
> >>> Unix has a number of useful utilities packaged with it, eg sort,
> >>> grep, sed, awk. Have these been ported to MSDOS, and if so where do
> >>> I get hold of them?
> 
> There is (was) a Unix-like toolkit for MS-DOS, called MKS. It runs
> pretty well (until, of course, you have seen a real Unix). It is (was)
> sold by:
> 
> Mortice Kern Systems, 35 King Street North, Waterloo, Canada.
> 
> In my turn I would appreciate to know if it still exists.

It does indeed.  I contacted them last month to find out if they have
versions for Win95 and NT. (They do.)  No flames, please I was
checking for a customer.

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On 25 Nov 1996 10:25:16 GMT, paai@kub.nl (Hans Paaimans) wrote:
>There is (was) a Unix-like toolkit for MS-DOS, called MKS. It runs
>pretty well (until, of course, you have seen a real Unix). It is (was)
>sold by:
>
>Mortice Kern Systems, 35 King Street North, Waterloo, Canada.
>
>In my turn I would appreciate to know if it still exists.

I go to the university of Waterloo and occasionally pass my MKS, so
I'm certain it does exist.

Jason
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