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Robert Billing (unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk) wrote:
:  I would have thought (though I haven't tried it) that you could have
: installed a text-only linux easily in this machine, and had a proper

Nice idea... Good for a 386 - I managed to get linux working with just 2Mb
RAM, which was a feat in itself (a very bare kernel and a bit of patience
whilst booting) plus swapping. Worked okay with 4Mb...

: At a pinch (and it will swap like nobody's business), you could run X,
: possibly making it a bit smaller by installing the monochrome driver.

Oh dear, not a good idea, 8Mb+ is really what you need. (unless you're 
insane!). Try running X with only 2Mb! (did that - not a good idea - ran
out of swap, etc)


NCSA Telnet is a good choice - however make sure you get the latest version
as older ones are broken (unless you disable MTU discovery in the kernel).

Works fine on a 286-8Mhz with 1Mb Memory - I had  a packet driver for the
Parallel interface and NCSA on top. Cool.

David, still has a 386 with novell on it! Sometimes gets used for linux
out and about too!
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On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:08:02 GMT, Geoff Blake
<geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>Apologies for posting what may be considered as somewhat off topic.
>
>I have an Amstrad ALT 386SX laptop which would be highly convenient for use
>as an ethernet connected terminal to my various systems (primarily Linux but
>includes SunOS) on the network.
>
>So what I am looking for is a telnet client that will run under dos and will
>support (particularly) an Intel EtherExpress 16 or 3com 3c509C NIC - or has
>anybody successfully installed a Linux distribution on this 4MByte system -
>it could boast(?) a reasonable sized HDD (say 500MB-ish).
>

    KA9Q should do this.  It is MSDOS based, and has telnet built in.
It is capable of talking to ethernet cards instead of the serial port
if configured correctly.

   Regards,
          Harry.

>>>>> "Geoff" == Geoff Blake <geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk> writes:

  Geoff> Hi there,
  Geoff> Apologies for posting what may be considered as somewhat off topic.

  Geoff> I have an Amstrad ALT 386SX laptop which would be highly
  Geoff> convenient for use as an ethernet connected terminal to my
  Geoff> various systems (primarily Linux but includes SunOS) on the
  Geoff> network.

  Geoff> So what I am looking for is a telnet client that will run
  Geoff> under dos and will support (particularly) an Intel
  Geoff> EtherExpress 16 or 3com 3c509C NIC - or has

You could use NCSA Telnet; it's pretty good from what I remember and
runs on top of a Crnwyr "packet driver".   You should be able to find
both an a SimTel archive.

I can't give you a URL; the only Simtel archive address I remember is
the original wsmr site which is now defunct.   Several others exist
now though.

On 04 Mar 1998 14:14:31 +0000, James Youngman <JYoungman@vggas.com>
wrote:

[SNIP]
>
>You could use NCSA Telnet; it's pretty good from what I remember and
>runs on top of a Crnwyr "packet driver".   You should be able to find
>both an a SimTel archive.
>
>I can't give you a URL; the only Simtel archive address I remember is
>the original wsmr site which is now defunct.   Several others exist
>now though.

   A good mirror for the original poster would be ftp.demon.co.uk, in
the Simtelnet directory.

   Regards,
            Harry.

In article <EpA95F.6EH@palaemon.demon.co.uk>
           geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk "Geoff Blake" writes:

> anybody successfully installed a Linux distribution on this 4MByte system -
> it could boast(?) a reasonable sized HDD (say 500MB-ish).

 I would have thought (though I haven't tried it) that you could have
installed a text-only linux easily in this machine, and had a proper
telnet. The advantage to doing it this way is that you could run
multiple virtual sessions and just use ALT/Fx to switch between them.
At a pinch (and it will swap like nobody's business), you could run X,
possibly making it a bit smaller by installing the monochrome driver.

 OTOH KA9Q is a good alternative, although the session switching is a
bit clunky,

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In article <350967b0.431151493@news.demon.co.uk>,
	haeb@demon.net (Harry Broomhall) writes:
>On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:08:02 GMT, Geoff Blake
><geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>So what I am looking for is a telnet client that will run under dos and will
>>support (particularly) an Intel EtherExpress 16 or 3com 3c509C NIC - or has
>>anybody successfully installed a Linux distribution on this 4MByte system -
>>it could boast(?) a reasonable sized HDD (say 500MB-ish).

You could always try KERMIT  -- vt100, DosAnsi colours, multiple telnet
sessions, good script language. Try ftp.columbia.edu.

                         Dave

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Geoff Blake (geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: Hi there,

: Apologies for posting what may be considered as somewhat off topic.

: I have an Amstrad ALT 386SX laptop which would be highly convenient for use
: as an ethernet connected terminal to my various systems (primarily Linux but
: includes SunOS) on the network.

: So what I am looking for is a telnet client that will run under dos and will
: support (particularly) an Intel EtherExpress 16 or 3com 3c509C NIC - or has
: anybody successfully installed a Linux distribution on this 4MByte system -
: it could boast(?) a reasonable sized HDD (say 500MB-ish).

: (For those who do not know, the ALT 386SX will only support 4MB ram - AIUI.)

Many thanks to those who have posted here or have responded to my request 
by email. All I now have to do is decide which way to jump.

Decisions, decisions, my life is full of decisions :-)

Geoff
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Geoff Blake <geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk> writes:

> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Apologies for posting what may be considered as somewhat off topic.
> 
> I have an Amstrad ALT 386SX laptop which would be highly convenient for use
> as an ethernet connected terminal to my various systems (primarily Linux but
> includes SunOS) on the network.
> 
> So what I am looking for is a telnet client that will run under dos and will
> support (particularly) an Intel EtherExpress 16 or 3com 3c509C NIC - or has
> anybody successfully installed a Linux distribution on this 4MByte system -
> it could boast(?) a reasonable sized HDD (say 500MB-ish).
> 
> (For those who do not know, the ALT 386SX will only support 4MB ram - AIUI.)

I've put linux on a 386SX25 laptop with 4 MB RAM and a 40 MB hard drive.
It runs tolerably well in text mode. I would imagine that a DOS based
telnet client would run faster. I have used NSCA telnet under DOS in the
past, but don't know anything about the requirements to set it up.

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Geoff Blake <geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk> writes:

> I have an Amstrad ALT 386SX laptop which would be highly convenient for use
> as an ethernet connected terminal to my various systems (primarily Linux but
> includes SunOS) on the network.

I had an ALT-386 through Uni, and many of my friends used it as an
Xterminal connecting in to my main box.

As an Xterminal, it was dog slow, but it was certainly possible to fit a
small Linux installation onto it.

Rick
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In demon.tech.unix Geoff Blake <geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I have an Amstrad ALT 386SX laptop which would be highly convenient for use
> as an ethernet connected terminal to my various systems (primarily Linux but
> includes SunOS) on the network.
> 
> So what I am looking for is a telnet client that will run under dos and will
> support (particularly) an Intel EtherExpress 16 or 3com 3c509C NIC - or has
> anybody successfully installed a Linux distribution on this 4MByte system -
> it could boast(?) a reasonable sized HDD (say 500MB-ish).

Use MS-Kermit with the ODI or packet card driver; it should fit on a 1.4 MB
floppy. {MSK-3.14 and later have a built-in TCPIP stack, so all you
need are: net.cfg, 3c5x9.com, lsl.com, mskermit.exe, mskermit.ini}

Richard
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: In demon.tech.unix Geoff Blake <geoff@palaemon.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: > So what I am looking for is a telnet client that will run under dos and will

ka9q (on ftp.demon.co.uk) will do that.

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