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In article <935662921snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm>, Richard Ashton
<{R}@sunshine.tm> wrote
>In article <B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk>
>           mike@nospam.demon.co.uk "ms" writes:
>
>>I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
>>the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
>>K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
>>significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?
>
>The Celerons are much cheaper and just as fast.

But not so hot for intensive Photoshop/graphics/video stuff or working
with loads of applications open, apparently.

Mike (happy to be corrected, if need be)
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In article <CV8s0DASsax3EwMr@urban75.demon.co.uk>, ms
<mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>In article <935662921snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm>, Richard Ashton
><{R}@sunshine.tm> wrote
[snip]
>>The Celerons are much cheaper and just as fast.
>
>But not so hot for intensive Photoshop/graphics/video stuff or working
>with loads of applications open, apparently.

I do video editing and even with complex effects, the CPU processes
faster than the SCSI disk can deliver.

TB

In article <B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk>, ms
<mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
>the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
>K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
>significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?
>
>Mike

Bleeding edge technology is expensive and often buggy.
According to the latest Insight price list - 

P3/600        �435  + �79  for M/B and fan  + VAT
Athlon/600    �475  + �148 for M/B and fan  + VAT

In 6 months, the CPU prices will have halved. 

Why not go for a Celeron 466 (�83 + �76 + VAT) and spend the rest on a
week away in New York?
-- 
John Appleyard             John@polyhedron.com      John@polyhedron.co.uk

In article <B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk>, ms
<mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
>the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
>K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
>significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?
>
>Mike

See today's Guardian - the OFFLINE supplement, it's got a piece on
Athlon vs PIII.

If you can't get it, repost and I'll knock up a summary.  Can't now, got
to go to do some of this work-thingy :-)

-- 
paul

In article <B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk>, ms
<mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>
>I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
>the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
>K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
>significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?

Athlon is the dog's bollocks from what I have seen.  You will need to
buy premium priced 133MHz RAM and as with any spanking new technology,
the problems haven't surfaced yet.

TB - Demon's 'dodgy' - use tomsnews@sunscreen.cx to email me

Tom Bird wrote:
> 
> Athlon is the dog's bollocks from what I have seen.  You will need to
> buy premium priced 133MHz RAM and as with any spanking new technology,
> the problems haven't surfaced yet.
> 
Untrue.  PC100 SDRAM will work just fine, and AMD have apparently done a
sterling job with the Irongate chipset - no incompatibility probs with any AGP
cards (see Tomshardware, for example).  It is the db, though.  I want I want I
want (etc.)

Mark..

-- 
Clean, optimized, thoughtfully written code can really set an
application apart from its peers. (Actually, a marketing juggernaut and
a virtual monopoly can also set an application apart from its peers.)

Talking of Celerons and stuff, I'm getting an L500 soon (if Dell can find
the
part they seem to have lost). They *are* just as good as the next 500Mhz
processor I take it? I've never noticed any benchmark results in any mags
I've read.

    Scott.



Richard Ashton <{R}@sunshine.tm> wrote in message
news:935662921snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm...
> In article <B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk>
>            mike@nospam.demon.co.uk "ms" writes:
>
> >I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
> >the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
> >K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
> >significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?
>
> The Celerons are much cheaper and just as fast.
>
> {R}
>

In article <B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk>,
  ms <mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
> the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new
fangled
> K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
> significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?
>
> Mike
> --
>

The only drawback is the fact that you will have to wait to build your
own system.


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You will only need to buy 133Mhz RAM (which by the way is about the same
price as 100Mhz RAM anyway) if the memory bus runs at 133, so far ive
only seen 100Mhz memory bus specs on the 1st batch of mobos to come out.



>
> Athlon is the dog's bollocks from what I have seen.  You will need to
> buy premium priced 133MHz RAM and as with any spanking new technology,
> the problems haven't surfaced yet.
>
> TB - Demon's 'dodgy' - use tomsnews@sunscreen.cx to email me
>


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In article <JLIs1GAWKcx3Ewth@dbqa.demon.co.uk>,
  Tom Bird <hamster@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <CV8s0DASsax3EwMr@urban75.demon.co.uk>, ms
> <mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
> >
> >In article <935662921snz129.os2.7@sunshine.tm>, Richard Ashton
> ><{R}@sunshine.tm> wrote
> [snip]
> >>The Celerons are much cheaper and just as fast.
> >
> >But not so hot for intensive Photoshop/graphics/video stuff or
working
> >with loads of applications open, apparently.
>
> I do video editing and even with complex effects, the CPU processes
> faster than the SCSI disk can deliver.
>
> TB

Sounds like you need more RAM and a faster SCSI.  The real weak point in
the Celerons is the SMP systems lose processing to overhead.  The larger
cache makes for much better SMP computing.


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There is an Athlon against PIII review in this months Computer Shopper. The
Athlon machines took all the top places.
Barry
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ms <mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk>...
> I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
> the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
> K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
> significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?
> 
> Mike
> -- 
>                 http://www.urban75.com/  UK webzine 
> 

Strangely, guy.fawkes@error404.surfbaud.co.uk (Guy Fawkes) felt the
need to say:


>when you sayb"PIII" do you mean real p3 as in xeon???

I seriously doubt it. A xeon isn't a p3 is it? If it is I imagine it
has a ton of cache & goes at breakneck frequencies. Anyway, it
certainly isn't something most of us mere mortals will be using to run
Quake 3 Arena. 

If I was buying, I'd go for the Athlon. 
McChris
<www.bigfoot.com/~chris.mccormack/>

"If we don't succede, we run the risk of failure."
- Vice President Dan Quayle

The only real drawback is that it will not work in a Slot 1 motherboard(As
used by PII,III and Celeron)

The Athlon is about on par the the PIII for integer calculations, but it
streaks ahead with its Floating- Point Calculation speeds, which means if
you are doing anything with video/Graphics the Athlon is the one to choose.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Russky - Microsoft MCP
ms <mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk...
> I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
> the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
> K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
> significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?
>
> Mike
> --
>                 http://www.urban75.com/  UK webzine

>ms <mike@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:B$MM+bAQpQx3EwPZ@urban75.demon.co.uk...
>> I'm about to slap out on an uber machine, and am currently weighing up
>> the pros and cons of a Pentium III 600 against one of these new fangled
>> K7 Athlon chips. Word is that the Athlons are very fast and offer
>> significant benefits over the Pentium, but what are the drawbacks?


None at all unless you want to use your existing Board if not can I
recommend the Kyrotech Athlon 800 (panrix sell them over here) see
www.tomshardware.com for full review

Simon

Russell Goodman (R.Goodman@NOSPAM.russky.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
: The only real drawback is that it will not work in a Slot 1 motherboard(As
: used by PII,III and Celeron)
[]
From the pictures it looks like a slot rather than socket thing; I presume
therefore that yet another type of processor holder (on top of socket 7,
super socket 7, slot 1, slot 2, and Celeron 370) has now been added to the
market. Groan ... )-:
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In article <7qlrf7$l5q$1@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>,
	g6jpg@gmrc.gecm.com (John Gilliver) writes:
> Russell Goodman (R.Goodman@NOSPAM.russky.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
>: The only real drawback is that it will not work in a Slot 1 motherboard(As
>: used by PII,III and Celeron)
> []
> From the pictures it looks like a slot rather than socket thing; I presume
> therefore that yet another type of processor holder (on top of socket 7,
> super socket 7, slot 1, slot 2, and Celeron 370) has now been added to the
> market. Groan ... )-:


   It is known as 'Slot A'.  Mechanicaly it is similar to Slot 1,
and electricaly it is similar to the Alpha.

   Future Intel processors will be using yet more varaiations, so you
will just have to get used to it!  <grin>

   Regards,
       Harry.

In article <7qlrf7$l5q$1@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>, John Gilliver
<g6jpg@gmrc.gecm.com> writes
>
>Russell Goodman (R.Goodman@NOSPAM.russky.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
>: The only real drawback is that it will not work in a Slot 1 motherboard(As
>: used by PII,III and Celeron)
>[]
>From the pictures it looks like a slot rather than socket thing; I presume
>therefore that yet another type of processor holder (on top of socket 7,
>super socket 7, slot 1, slot 2, and Celeron 370) has now been added to the
>market. Groan ... )-:

Slot A, something to do with the Digital Alpha IIRC.  Wouldn't that be
good - if you could have an x86 PC and just swap in an Alpha CPU for
that extra kick.

>--

Sig sep's broken.

TB