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Article #229Re: Stop replying to Malcolm
From: Randy
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:06
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 01:06
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Fidh have brains the size of a piece of corn. Which, undoubtedly, is
about twice the size of Malcom's.
Sully wrote:
> Please stop replying to Malcolm's posts. You only encourage him. He is
> trolling for crying out loud. Ignore him and stick to the topic.
> Sully
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> Malcolm wrote:
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>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 00:53:49 +0000 (UTC), "Derek"
>> <delboynic@btopenworld.com> wrote:
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>>> "Malcolm" <Malcolm@malcsplace.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5d11e488221e246b2ae26e464a8e1512@free.teranews.com...
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>>>> CLOSE UP ON ANGLING
>>>> A cruel sport
>>>> http://www.animalaid.org.uk
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>>> I look forward with relish to the shit (deservedly) that you will
>>> receive
>>> regarding this posting. You must be some kind of masochist to post a
>>> message on this newsgroup with such contentious content
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>> If it wasn't so sad, you would be laughable. Like the fox hunters,
>> would you like us all to pretend it's not happening? LOL get real pal.
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>> Get up to deviant pastimes and expect to get what's coming.
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>> You could always turn to tiddleywinks.
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>>>> There are three types of angling - coarse, sea and game. Coarse
>>>> angling is by far the most popular and probably the most cruel.
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>>>> Most types of freshwater fish (ie. from rivers, streams and ponds) are
>>>> hunted by coarse anglers, the exceptions being salmon, trout and
>>>> grayling. Their target species include pike, roach, perch, rudd, dace,
>>>> bleak, bream, tench, barbel, carp and chub. Most are inedible.
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>>>> As well as a rod, line and hook, coarse anglers have to buy a licence
>>>> to enable them to fish. Where a lake, river, canal or reservoir is
>>>> privately owned, a day or season ticket is required.
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>>>> Maggots are the most common bait and are impaled live onto the hook.
>>>> Earthworms, mealworms and bloodworms are used in the same way.
>>>> Sometimes livebait is applied - small live fish, usually impaled on
>>>> treble hooks to attract predatory fish.
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>>>> A close season runs from 15 March to 15 June, although regulations
>>>> vary in different regions of the country. The close season is supposed
>>>> to be a time to allow fish respite during their spawning season,
>>>> though it has been scrapped on all still waters (ponds, lakes and
>>>> reservoirs) since 1995.
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>>>> The most common argument used to defend angling is that fish don't
>>>> feel pain. This is untrue. Fish are vertebrates, with a brain, a
>>>> central nervous system and pain receptors all over their bodies,
>>>> including the lips. As with mammals, it is a biological necessity to
>>>> feel pain and without this capacity they would not survive. Scientific
>>>> research from around the world substantiates this.
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>>>> In a 1996 report examining the welfare of farmed fish, the Ministry of
>>>> Agriculture's official advisory body, the Farm Animal Welfare Council,
>>>> noted that:
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>>>> 'Almost all fish live the whole of their lives in water and show a
>>>> maximal emergency response when removed from water, even for a very
>>>> short period. This response includes changes in heart rate, increased
>>>> production of adrenaline, noradrenaline and cortisol and vigorous
>>>> muscle contractions ... All of the scientific evidence concerning such
>>>> effects makes it clear that the term stress is certainly relevant to
>>>> fish and that the means by which stress effects are mediated are very
>>>> similar to those in mammals. Evidence that the term pain is applicable
>>>> to fish comes from anatomical, physiological and behavioural studies
>>>> whose results are very similar to those of studies on birds and
>>>> mammals. The fact that fish are cold blooded does not prevent them
>>>> from having a pain system and, indeed, such a system is valuable in
>>>> preserving life and maximising the biological fitness of individuals.'
>>>> Farm Animal Welfare Council Report on the Welfare of Farmed Fish,
>>>> September 1996.
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>>>> Fish are caught with either a barbed or barbless hook. Barbed hooks
>>>> cause more damage and are now banned at an increasing number of
>>>> fisheries, but barbless hooks also cause lacerating injuries. Hooked
>>>> fish will struggle out of fear and physical pain. They are then
>>>> dragged out of the water into an alien environment in which they start
>>>> to suffocate, just as we would if we were pulled under water. Their
>>>> gills - similar to our lungs - collapse and may bleed. The swim
>>>> bladder can rupture due to the sudden change in pressure on their
>>>> bodies. Breathing is virtually impossible.
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>>>> The fish is then handled. Even with wet hands, as recommended by
>>>> anglers, this handling removes the invisible outer mucus layer which
>>>> provides waterproofing. Fish are consequently left open to infection
>>>> if/when eventually returned to water. Time out of water is prolonged
>>>> by those who want their photograph taken with their catch in the hope
>>>> of getting a picture in an angling magazine.
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>>>> If injured and traumatised fish survive the ordeal of being caught
>>>> they may still die later through stress, or be so weakened that they
>>>> are easy prey for predators.
>>>>
>>>> Anglers present themselves as custodians of the countryside. They
>>>> claim to be conservationists without whom there would be no fish. Yet
>>>> those anglers who monitor waterways, clean up fisheries or take
>>>> polluters to court are greatly outnumbered by those who treat their
>>>> environment with contempt. Hooks and nylon line is lost or discarded,
>>>> with deadly consequences for wildlife. Litter is left behind,
>>>> including jagged bait cans. Maggots contaminated with salmonella and
>>>> botulism have proved fatal to wildfowl. Trampling of vegetation often
>>>> turns banks into mudslides, while the excessive amount of bait which
>>>> is catapulted into the water can rot and pollute.
>>>>
>>>> Each year more waterside birds and mammals die because of discarded
>>>> monofilament than the total number of swans ever killed by lead
>>>> poisoning.
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>>>> For more information visit the Campaign for the Abolition of Angling's
>>>> website at www.anti-angling.com.
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