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Article #39Re: Poll: for/against Net surveillance in UK Anti-Terrorism law ?
From: pisces
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:02
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:02
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<DarkLady@basement.org> wrote in message news:FGAT5LHQ37241.3972916667@anonymous.poster... > "pisces" <pisces48@yahoo.com> writes: > > > (you must be logged in to vote) > > For Against Abstain > > If I got to be logged in then I'll not vote.... > > > If you that bothered about it all why you not using > Anonymous Remailer services, Tsch tsch..... Hello.ooo..oo. You just made my case for me spectacularly in all of three lines. You said you would not vote because you didn't want to log in to vote, presumably either because : a) you couldn't be arsed at all, or if you could b) you didn't want the website to know your IP address, and didn't realise, rather than c) you couldn't be arsed, to vote through an anonymising proxy, or you are sufficiently paranoid that d) you don't trust anonymity machinery technically, and possibly also you believe e) its the people who actually try to be anonymous who are most noticed Whatever the reason, you chose effectively to disenfranchise (in sense of one-person one-vote) yourself, rather than vote traceably. Yet you claim that the loss of liberty and democracy entailed by the state maintaining total practicable traceability is compensated for by the existence of remailers, when you either can't be arsed or don't trust them yourself ? Come off it. If everybody did that (and if they are like you they will) then they won't participate in any democratic political expression online. It's no comfort to say in some ideal world we could all use double-spend-detecting blind signatures, because that just isn't very likely to happen...
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fad9d,a1dd5a245a537fd1 X-Google-Attributes: gidfad9d,public X-Google-Thread: 10b38e,a1dd5a245a537fd1 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b38e,public X-Google-Thread: 101ff2,a1dd5a245a537fd1 X-Google-Attributes: gid101ff2,public X-Google-Thread: f6b0a,a1dd5a245a537fd1 X-Google-Attributes: gidf6b0a,public X-Google-Thread: 104271,a1dd5a245a537fd1 X-Google-Attributes: gid104271,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-12-16 14:04:31 PST Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!easynet-post2!monolith.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "pisces" <pisces48@yahoo.com> Newsgroups: uk.net.regulation,alt.privacy,uk.politics.censorship,demon.service,uk.gov.social-security References: <ZmvS7.52$7v6.68239@monolith.news.easynet.net> <FGAT5LHQ37241.3972916667@anonymous.poster> Subject: Re: Poll: for/against Net surveillance in UK Anti-Terrorism law ? Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <OT8T7.176$8%.111593@monolith.news.easynet.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:02:15 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.135.206.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1008540270 212.135.206.114 (Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:04:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:04:30 GMT Organization: [posted via Easynet]