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> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-locomotive-for-half-a-century-chugs-into-action.html
>
> ********************************************************************************************
> Why is it numbered 60163??

Geeze, let me see.  60163 was the next number available?

> What shed is it attached to??

The nearest garden one?


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Les Brown wrote:
> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
> delighted to read this article.
> 
> ******************************************************************************************
> 
> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action 
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-locomotive-for-half-a-century-chugs-into-action.html
> 
> ********************************************************************************************
> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??

Your questions seem to be pretty well answered here Les:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Peppercorn_Class_A1_60163_Tornado

Film of the first run in steam:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjuuad2ljoI


> Hmm, anyone for an S-Class??

Got a few spare millions?

Paul Westcott

On Aug 3, 4:17 pm, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
> delighted to read this article.
>
> ******************************************************************************************
>
> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-lo...
>
> ********************************************************************************************
> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??
>
> Hmm, anyone for an S-Class??
>
> Les Brown

I think this report might be missing a couple of words: Standard
Gauge. There have been new narrow gauge steam locos built in recent
years.

John

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 03:23:40 -0700 (PDT), John Dennis <denjo02@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Aug 3, 4:17 pm, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
>> delighted to read this article.
>>
>> ******************************************************************************************
>>
>> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-lo...
>>
>> ********************************************************************************************
>> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??
>>
>> Hmm, anyone for an S-Class??
>>
>> Les Brown
>
>I think this report might be missing a couple of words: Standard
>Gauge. There have been new narrow gauge steam locos built in recent
>years.
>

Very true John, Puffing Billy's Beyer Garratt G42 was nearly a completely
new locomotive. There wasn't much left to salvage off the original.

So, after the A1, what's next?? A sister to 71000 perhaps? 

Les Brown

On 3 Aug, 07:17, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
> delighted to read this article.
>
> ******************************************************************************************
>
> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-lo...
>
> ********************************************************************************************
> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??
>
> Hmm, anyone for an S-Class??
>
> Les Brown

I see the Daily Torygraph makes the usual press cock-up of referring
to a locomotive as a train, viz 'The newly built Tornado 60163 steam
train'

Pete Yarlett

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 03:23:40 -0700 (PDT), John Dennis
<denjo02@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Aug 3, 4:17 pm, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
>> delighted to read this article.
>>
>> ******************************************************************************************
>>
>> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action
>>
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-lo...
>>
>> ********************************************************************************************
>> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??
>>
>> Hmm, anyone for an S-Class??
>>
>> Les Brown
>
>I think this report might be missing a couple of words: Standard
>Gauge. 
>
And "built for British Railways". The last industrial SG locomotive
wasn't built until IIRC 1971.

>There have been new narrow gauge steam locos built in recent
>years.
>
>John

On 3 Aug, 13:08, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Very true John, Puffing Billy's Beyer Garratt G42 was nearly a completely
> new locomotive. There wasn't much left to salvage off the original.

I saw the Dolgoch replica in action on the Talyllyn last week.

Ian

On 3 Aug, 17:26, Pete <pyarl...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I see the Daily Torygraph makes the usual press cock-up of referring
> to a locomotive as a train, viz 'The newly built Tornado 60163 steam
> train'

But they've built a tender as well, heven;t they? That makes it a very
small train, surely ...

Ian

"Les Brown" <gunzel51@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:3via94tfrs0fele04h1e35op38otpk5hoq@4ax.com...
>I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
> delighted to read this article.
>
> ******************************************************************************************
>
> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-locomotive-for-half-a-century-chugs-into-action.html
>
> ********************************************************************************************
> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??

Because it follows 60162, the last of the original A1 number series.

Bevan

"Les Brown" <gunzel51@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
news:r47b941udm4iigncpt1reqrplbnaog4nen@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 03:23:40 -0700 (PDT), John Dennis <denjo02@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Aug 3, 4:17 pm, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
>>> delighted to read this article.
>>>
>>> ******************************************************************************************
>>>
>>> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action
>>>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-lo...
>>>
>>> ********************************************************************************************
>>> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??
>>>
>>> Hmm, anyone for an S-Class??
>>>
>>> Les Brown
>>
>>I think this report might be missing a couple of words: Standard
>>Gauge. There have been new narrow gauge steam locos built in recent
>>years.
>>
>
> Very true John, Puffing Billy's Beyer Garratt G42 was nearly a completely
> new locomotive. There wasn't much left to salvage off the original.
>
> So, after the A1, what's next?? A sister to 71000 perhaps?
>
> Les Brown

Someone is proposing to build a Clan, one of the less successful BR designs. 
Good luck to them, but personally I would like to see something like an LNWR 
"Prince Of Wales", or one of the many passenger tank or 0-6-0 freight 
classes that disappeared before they could be preserved.

Bevan

On 3 Aug, 19:21, "Bevan Price" <meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:

> Someone is proposing to build a Clan, one of the less successful BR designs.
> Good luck to them, but personally I would like to see something like an LNWR
> "Prince Of Wales", or one of the many passenger tank or 0-6-0 freight
> classes that disappeared before they could be preserved.

Something from the G&SWR would be nice.

Ian

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as The Real 
Doctor <ian.groups@btinternet.com> gently breathed:
>On 3 Aug, 19:21, "Bevan Price" <meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:

>> Someone is proposing to build a Clan, one of the less successful BR designs.
>> Good luck to them, but personally I would like to see something like an LNWR
>> "Prince Of Wales", or one of the many passenger tank or 0-6-0 freight
>> classes that disappeared before they could be preserved.

>Something from the G&SWR would be nice.

I'd love to see (and hear!) one of those bizarre steam-electric locos 
that Andrew Breen posted details of a while back.  French, I think.

Much as I wish the new A1 every success on the main line (and it'll be 
interesting to see how she fares, reliability-wise, compared to 
preserved "original era" locos) - but bringing back some of the odder 
experiments and significant members of long-gone types that contributed 
to the development of the steam locomotive in general would be good. 
Perhaps a replica of some of the early GWR locos that Swindon scrapped 
in the 1900s?

On the other hand, a Class 123 or 124 Swindon DMU would make a very nice 
railtour unit...  :-)

-- 
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In message <1217787774.3901.0@proxy01.news.clara.net>
          "Bevan Price" <meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:[snip]

> Someone is proposing to build a Clan, one of the less successful BR designs.
> Good luck to them, but personally I would like to see something like an LNWR
> "Prince Of Wales", or one of the many passenger tank or 0-6-0 freight
> classes that disappeared before they could be preserved.

> Bevan

Something SMALL? Cheaper in so many ways! And played to the right 
crowds, with just as much earning power.

Michael Bell






-- 

In article <f052b37c-dd8e-4962-bfc4-d48f82845b58@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
The Real Doctor  <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On 3 Aug, 19:21, "Bevan Price" <meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:
>
>> Someone is proposing to build a Clan, one of the less successful BR designs.
>> Good luck to them, but personally I would like to see something like an LNWR
>> "Prince Of Wales", or one of the many passenger tank or 0-6-0 freight
>> classes that disappeared before they could be preserved.
>
>Something from the G&SWR would be nice.

Yes please. But should it be a 6, a 119 or a 153? Or do we go out on a 
limb with a 65?

-- 
Andy Breen ~ 	Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
		Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
		 money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

In article <v80xH$GR3glIFwVe@nemesis.as15758.net>,
Pyromancer  <pyromancer@inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk> wrote:
>Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as The Real 
>Doctor <ian.groups@btinternet.com> gently breathed:
>>On 3 Aug, 19:21, "Bevan Price" <meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> wrote:
>
>>> Someone is proposing to build a Clan, one of the less successful BR designs.
>>> Good luck to them, but personally I would like to see something like an LNWR
>>> "Prince Of Wales", or one of the many passenger tank or 0-6-0 freight
>>> classes that disappeared before they could be preserved.
>
>>Something from the G&SWR would be nice.
>
>I'd love to see (and hear!) one of those bizarre steam-electric locos 
>that Andrew Breen posted details of a while back.  French, I think.

The Heilmann, n'cest pas? 

>Much as I wish the new A1 every success on the main line (and it'll be 
>interesting to see how she fares, reliability-wise, compared to 
>preserved "original era" locos) - but bringing back some of the odder 
>experiments and significant members of long-gone types that contributed 
>to the development of the steam locomotive in general would be good. 
>Perhaps a replica of some of the early GWR locos that Swindon scrapped 
>in the 1900s?

Well.. _North Star_ was kind-of replicated as a static item, _Lord of the 
Isles_ visually reproduced from bits of (ISTR) J94 - and _Fire Fly_ has 
been done. That would leave a possibility of a Ffestiniog-style rebuild of 
a B&E bogie tank engine using the wheelset that the NRM has. Trouble is, 
there's not much chance to run 'em (unless you also go with the idea of 
re-gauging the Gwili to create the first of the Great Big Trains of 
Wales..).
'Course, you could go out on a limb and re-create _Victor_, the 
ex-Llanelli Railway Fossick & Hackworth engine which was scrapped in
the same round of Swindon purges. That'd be interesting :)

>On the other 
hand, a Class 123 or 124 Swindon DMU would make a very nice 
>railtour unit...  :-)

As would a Blue Pullman, provided the ride could be sorted...

-- 
Andy Breen ~ 	Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
		Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
		 money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:21:10 +0100, "Bevan Price"
<meVIAfreeukFULLSTOPcom> - in a blinding flash of brilliance - wrote:

>
>"Les Brown" <gunzel51@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>news:r47b941udm4iigncpt1reqrplbnaog4nen@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 03:23:40 -0700 (PDT), John Dennis <denjo02@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Aug 3, 4:17 pm, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
>>>> delighted to read this article.
>>>>
>>>> ******************************************************************************************
>>>>
>>>> First British steam locomotive for half a century chugs into action
>>>>
>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2484695/First-British-steam-lo...
>>>>
>>>> ********************************************************************************************
>>>> Why is it numbered 60163?? What shed is it attached to??
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, anyone for an S-Class??
>>>>
>>>> Les Brown
>>>
>>>I think this report might be missing a couple of words: Standard
>>>Gauge. There have been new narrow gauge steam locos built in recent
>>>years.
>>>
>>
>> Very true John, Puffing Billy's Beyer Garratt G42 was nearly a completely
>> new locomotive. There wasn't much left to salvage off the original.
>>
>> So, after the A1, what's next?? A sister to 71000 perhaps?
>>
>> Les Brown
>
>Someone is proposing to build a Clan, one of the less successful BR designs. 
>Good luck to them, but personally I would like to see something like an LNWR 
>"Prince Of Wales", or one of the many passenger tank or 0-6-0 freight 
>classes that disappeared before they could be preserved.

Isn't a Great Western organisation proposing (or have they started?)
to build a new Saint class and a County class (both failed to be saved
from fully being scrapped), from spares of Hall class and even an LMS
8F?
--
steam3801
If a man speaks in the forest, and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

In message <vocc945kltl5stolq3qve61loi8cee07q3@4ax.com>
          steam3801 <tryspammingthis@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

[snip]
> 
> Isn't a Great Western organisation proposing (or have they started?)
> to build a new Saint class and a County class (both failed to be saved
> from fully being scrapped), from spares of Hall class and even an LMS
> 8F?

The GWS are doing a conversion of Maindy Hall back to a Saint Class, Lady of
Legend.  I've lost track of how the project is progressing.

-- 
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html>

On 3 Aug, 20:58, Pyromancer <pyroman...@beeching.stormshadow.com>
wrote:

> Much as I wish the new A1 every success on the main line (and it'll be
> interesting to see how she fares, reliability-wise, compared to
> preserved "original era" locos) ...

By and large the repeated failures of steam locomotives on the
mainline seem to be down to incompetent operation, and I can't see why
this new one will necessarily be different. Preserved diesels do seem
to fail, normally, as a result of poor maintenance.

Ian

On 3 Aug., 12:23, John Dennis <denj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Les Brown
>
> I think this report might be missing a couple of words: Standard
> Gauge. There have been new narrow gauge steam locos built in recent
> years.
>

and indeed Broad Gauge ...

On 3 Aug., 21:58, Pyromancer <pyroman...@beeching.stormshadow.com>
wrote:

>
> I'd love to see (and hear!) one of those bizarre steam-electric locos
> that Andrew Breen posted details of a while back.  French, I think.
>

if you mean the Swiss ones, that's not too difficult as several of the
class from which these were modified do survive (as steam
locomotives), so a replica could be created by adding the electrics.

In article <0ea3c1c4-86bd-4c7d-a623-24c9630abe0a@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
 <amogles@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 3 Aug., 12:23, John Dennis <denj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Les Brown
>>
>> I think this report might be missing a couple of words: Standard
>> Gauge. There have been new narrow gauge steam locos built in recent
>> years.
>>
>
>and indeed Broad Gauge ...

and, indeed, standard gauge (Locomotion, Rocket, Sans Pariel, Novelty, 
Planet, "Steam Elephant", "Puffing Billy"....).
-- 
Andy Breen ~ 	Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
		
		"Who dies with the most toys wins" (Gary Barnes)

In article <ae1294f0-43bb-459a-b328-e8f0c07daf15@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
 <amogles@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 3 Aug., 21:58, Pyromancer <pyroman...@beeching.stormshadow.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> I'd love to see (and hear!) one of those bizarre steam-electric locos
>> that Andrew Breen posted details of a while back. �French, I think.
>>
>
>if you mean the Swiss ones, that's not too difficult as several of the
>class from which these were modified do survive (as steam
>locomotives), so a replica could be created by adding the electrics.

Nope. Both he and I meant the Heilmann design (Le Fusee Electrique) and 
her kin. High-speed reciprocating engines turing a generator to drive 
motors on the bogies.
Have a google on "Heilmann locomotive" to see what he (and I) mean.

-- 
Andy Breen ~ 	Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
		Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting
		 money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair)

On Aug 3, 7:17 am, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
> delighted to read this article.
<SNIP>
> Les Brown

Les, I find your opening sentence offensive to the majority of people
on here.  If you really think you are the only middle class person
interested in railways, and the rest of us are common scrubbers who
read "The Sun", then you are deluding yourself.  Whenever I take a
newspaper it is either a current broadsheet (sometimes coloured peach)
or a former broadsheet repackaged into a small size.

I have quite a few railway friends with professional jobs.  Mind if I
quote from "Yes Prime Minister":

Jim Hacker: "Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads
the papers:
- The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country;
- The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the
country;
- The Times is read by people who actually do run the country;
- The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the
country;
- The Financial Times is read by people who own the country;
- The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be
run by another country;
- And the Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is."

Sir Humphrey: "Prime Minister, what about the people who read the
Sun?"

Bernard Woolley: "Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long
as she's got big tits."

On Aug 5, 8:20 pm, j...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 3, 7:17 am, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
> > delighted to read this article.
> <SNIP>
> > Les Brown
>
> Les, I find your opening sentence offensive to the majority of people
> on here.

I suspect Les was thinking of his local aus.rail readers, rather than
those reading uk.railway

John

jdfi@hotmail.com wrote:

> Les, I find your opening sentence offensive to the majority of people
> on here.

Luckily, the majority of people on here (i.e. uk.railway) realised that
the remark was directed at them lot over there (i.e. aus.rail), and so
weren't offended at all.

Cheers

mark-r

In message <6fr1mkFcuttgU1@mid.individual.net>
          Mark Robinson <mark@simsol.co.uk> wrote:

> jdfi@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> > Les, I find your opening sentence offensive to the majority of people
> > on here.
> 
> Luckily, the majority of people on here (i.e. uk.railway) realised that
> the remark was directed at them lot over there (i.e. aus.rail), and so
> weren't offended at all.
> 

Can I feel offended on behalf of working class Australians?

-- 
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html>

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:20:29 +0100, jdfi@hotmail.com wrote
> On Aug 3, 7:17 am, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and I was
>> delighted to read this article.
> <SNIP>
>> Les Brown
> 
> Les, I find your opening sentence offensive to the majority of people
> on here.  If you really think you are the only middle class person
> interested in railways, and the rest of us are common scrubbers who
> read "The Sun", then you are deluding yourself.  


Er.. you DO know that Les Brown isn't from round these parts?  The cross-post 
from aus.rail might give you a hint

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:36:29 +0100, Stimpy wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:20:29 +0100, jdfi@hotmail.com wrote
>> On Aug 3, 7:17 am, Les Brown <gunze...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I suppose not many of you read UK's The Telgraph, but I do, and
>>> I was delighted to read this article.
>> <SNIP>
>>> Les Brown
>> 
>> Les, I find your opening sentence offensive to the majority of
>> people on here.  If you really think you are the only middle
>> class person interested in railways, and the rest of us are
>> common scrubbers who read "The Sun", then you are deluding
>> yourself.  
> 
> Er.. you DO know that Les Brown isn't from round these parts? 
> The cross-post from aus.rail might give you a hint

On the other hand, who in the UK could possibly be offended at the
thought that they couldn't be taken for a Telegraph reader. I'd take
that as a compliment...

-- 
Chris Game

"If everyone with a question just went away and looked it up
we'd never learn anything." -- Carlie Hulme

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:32:39 +0100, Graeme Wall <Rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <6fr1mkFcuttgU1@mid.individual.net>
>          Mark Robinson <mark@simsol.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> jdfi@hotmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> > Les, I find your opening sentence offensive to the majority of people
>> > on here.
>> 
>> Luckily, the majority of people on here (i.e. uk.railway) realised that
>> the remark was directed at them lot over there (i.e. aus.rail), and so
>> weren't offended at all.
>> 
>
>Can I feel offended on behalf of working class Australians?

No, F...off!!

:-))

Les Brown

In article <95nhvi8s0q1i.dlg@example9876.com>,
 Chris Game <chrisgame@example.net> wrote:

> ... who in the UK could possibly be offended at the
> thought that they couldn't be taken for a Telegraph reader. I'd take
> that as a compliment...

<cough>

Sam (Independent reader)

On Aug 5, 11:32 pm, Graeme Wall <R...@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Can I feel offended on behalf of working class Australians?

"Help! I'm being oppressed!"
"Bloody peasant."

:-)