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Alan Edgey wrote:

> Joseph Oberlander <josephoberlander@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<e_bWb.18840$F23.9975@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
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>>Peter Sammon wrote:
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>>>Ronnie McKinley <mckinley@nowherenet.org> wrote in 
>>>news:758i20l2retk3vqo0sldpi6dv6972b68te@4ax.com:
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>>>>In uk.rec.audio  Peter Sammon <camman722@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>>>>What I find humorous in the US is the number of "faux" Irish who aren't 
>>>>>Catholic; 
>>>>
>>>>So one has to be Catholic to be true Irish? 
>>>>
>>>>LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>Spoken like a true faux-Irishman. 
>>>
>>>*Real* Irishman are Catholic. Any other has give up what much of what it 
>>>means- historically and culturally- to be Irish. For centuries 
>>>Catholicism was at the heart of the Irish struggle against Britain much 
>>>like Catholicism was the heart of the Polish struggle against communism 
>>>during the cold war. 
>>>
>>>You CAN call yourself Irish and be Baptist, Methodist etc., but let's 
>>>face it, you're then only of Irish descent and not culturally Irish. I 
>>>speak of course of the legions of "gee I'm Irish" in the US of course. If 
>>>you're Irish in Cork and converted to Protestantism you're a friggin' 
>>>traitor. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>think being Scots-Irish means they are part Irish, part 
>>>>>Scottish; 
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>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>I think you've missed something here. In Ireland Scots-Irish call 
>>>themselves NOT Irish, but Ulster Scots [Brits please correct me if I'm 
>>>off]. They are the protestants of Northern Ireland. Ulster Scots are 
>>>descendent from the Scottish Presbytarians who migrated there in the 
>>>17/18 century. 
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>>What would they call the original Catholic Scots-Irish(non Ulster)
>>in the same area, then?  Just curious.
> 
> 
> Ulster Scots. Among the Scots speaking immigrants from Scotland there
> were Catholics.
> This idea that Scots-Irish is only a presbetarian thing is flawed.
> Though no doubt there are sectarian biggots who'll abuse anything to
> justify their twisted ends.

What I meant is, how do you tell the Ulsters apart from the older
ones that preceeded them - or are they all now lumped together?

Yeha - the notion of 100% Catholic in the south and 100% presbetarian
in the North is flawed.  Especially now, with the younger generations.
Shoot, a large number of them are opting out of the mess entirely or
looking into other religions.   In a few decades, it's going to be
much more muddled as to which is which - and that's a good thing
as the second they stop fighting over issues that the Brits(govt)
have invented for them to keep them busy fighting amongst themselves
and start looking at the larger picture,  they'll unite and kick
them out.

I'm a big fan myself of a unified Ireland.  Afterall, let's not
forget that it was a colony just a couple of hundred years ago.
That 2/3 of it was freed from their opressive masters was nice,
but the job still remains unfinished.  At the least, N. Ireland
should be its own seperate country by now.