🚀 go-pugleaf

Tom Alciere [Nashua NH] wrote:
> 
> It ain't the Bill of Needs, it's the Bill of Rights.  Government exisits for
> the purpose of protecting the rights of the people, which are not dependent on
> demonstrating a 19-year-old bride's NEED for a glass of champagne at her
> wedding reception.  The only one the government has a right to punish is the
> one who violates somebody's rights.  Let that one learn that actions have
> consequences.
> 

so, I have no RIGHT to be safe in my home, where if I care to smoke some
pot, I'll do it ?
So are you saying that the govenment would then have the RIGHTs to
punish anyone that bothered me doing the same ?



> Tom Alciere
> 
> mowen wrote:
> 
> > Hackman <"hacker(nospam)"@jump.nospam.net> wrote after:
> >
> > > Matt Walcoff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > But you see we're not debating whether or not people should drink. In
> > > > a perfect world, there might not be alcohol. But the fact is people,
> > > > including people under 21, do drink. The question is how to reduce the
> > > > harm of people drinking.
> >
> > > why do yuo feel that in a perfect world, there wouldn't be alcohol ?
> > > The need of man to alter his conscience is universal...heck, I should
> > > have said animal and not man, for this is something that isn't limitted
> > > to just man...watch a cat sometimes with catnip.....
> >
> > I'm not aware of any such universal need... perhaps I missed something.
> >
> > "I fear animals regard man as a creature of their own kind which has in a
> > highly dangerous fashion lost its healthy animal reason...." Friedrich
> > Nietzsche (1887).
> >
> > I don't know about your universal cat, but my cat "needed" water,
> > and liked catnip; and I will admit to liking (a cultivated attraction,
> > I might add) chocolate, but not "needing" it...
> >
> > So maybe the cat perspective is going to lead to thinking that
> > "Bats have no bankers and they do not drink
> > and cannot be arrested and pay no tax
> > and, in general, bats have it made."
> > John Berryman, "The Dream Songs" (1969).
> >
> > and what do rocks need ... might there then be a suggestion that they have
> > it made best of all and yet somehow we are one with them
> > in the alcohol and law debate?