🚀 go-pugleaf

Hackman wrote:

> Tom Alciere [Nashua NH] wrote:
> >
> > It ain't the Bill of Needs, it's the Bill of Rights.  Government exisits for
> > the purpose of protecting the rights of the people, which are not dependent on
> > demonstrating a 19-year-old bride's NEED for a glass of champagne at her
> > wedding reception.  The only one the government has a right to punish is the
> > one who violates somebody's rights.  Let that one learn that actions have
> > consequences.
> >
>
> so, I have no RIGHT to be safe in my home, where if I care to smoke some
> pot, I'll do it ?
> So are you saying that the govenment would then have the RIGHTs to
> punish anyone that bothered me doing the same ?
>

You have every right to be safe in your home, whether it's marijuana plants or a
methamphetamine lab.  And of course the goons that come barging in to try to arrest
you DESERVE to get their guts blown apart all over the carpet.  See if YOUR State
constitution spells out the right of "defending liberty" and "acquiring, possessing,
and protecting property".  Many do.  Here's all 50 of them for you in one neat
package:  http://www.una-novia.com/state_const.html  Note, of course, that the
rights spelt out in a constitution are only as good as the government that is
supposed to be enforcing them.

Tom Alciere
BTW I don't like cops.

> > Tom Alciere
> >
> > mowen wrote:
> >
> > > Hackman <"hacker(nospam)"@jump.nospam.net> wrote after:
> > >
> > > > Matt Walcoff wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > But you see we're not debating whether or not people should drink. In
> > > > > a perfect world, there might not be alcohol. But the fact is people,
> > > > > including people under 21, do drink. The question is how to reduce the
> > > > > harm of people drinking.
> > >
> > > > why do yuo feel that in a perfect world, there wouldn't be alcohol ?
> > > > The need of man to alter his conscience is universal...heck, I should
> > > > have said animal and not man, for this is something that isn't limitted
> > > > to just man...watch a cat sometimes with catnip.....
> > >
> > > I'm not aware of any such universal need... perhaps I missed something.
> > >
> > > "I fear animals regard man as a creature of their own kind which has in a
> > > highly dangerous fashion lost its healthy animal reason...." Friedrich
> > > Nietzsche (1887).
> > >
> > > I don't know about your universal cat, but my cat "needed" water,
> > > and liked catnip; and I will admit to liking (a cultivated attraction,
> > > I might add) chocolate, but not "needing" it...
> > >
> > > So maybe the cat perspective is going to lead to thinking that
> > > "Bats have no bankers and they do not drink
> > > and cannot be arrested and pay no tax
> > > and, in general, bats have it made."
> > > John Berryman, "The Dream Songs" (1969).
> > >
> > > and what do rocks need ... might there then be a suggestion that they have
> > > it made best of all and yet somehow we are one with them
> > > in the alcohol and law debate?