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On 13 Oct 1998 05:22:59 PDT, "Shannon" <s-romero@concentric.net>
wrote:

>  Dear Baja
>
>Ok.  It is clear I need to slow down, not use big words and maybe start
>employing basic drawings.
>
>First - Although I was really very impressed with your ability to turn a
>discussion about race and national origin so quickly into a sexist
>platitude: I.E. the down your throat thing.
>
>Read the message again, but slower this time:
>
>"I am married to a wonderfull woman
>whose last name is of hispanic origin.
>She, like me, is also Danish."
>
>I am not a woman.  

You certainly are an idiot, que no?

>I am sure you concluded this because of the name Shannon
>associated with this address.  Think about it Baja, if I'm automatically a
>woman because my email address says Shannon, then you are a rat.  Is it
>true?  Are you a rat?  Is it hard to type with those scurious little paws of
>yours?

Squeak. I dunno. Let me wade through a few Mexicans and check.

>
>I am pretty sure that now this has been pointed out to you, a fun filled
>phrase will soon follow most likely saying I am a woman after all or better
>yet that I am gay.  I hope I am wrong but after that last little response of
>yours----you know, the little fuck you sound bite thing ---  I expect very
>little from you in the way of intelligent responses.

You like those? Shall I select one for you?

>
>Second.  I do not give a flying fuck whether you come to Utah or not.
>Obviously if I had my rathers your ass would be back in California but I do
>not FOOL myself into believing that that is really my choice as you seem to
>believe it is yours to say who is and is not legitamately here in Utah.

I see.

>
>I also have no problem with your ranting about the influx of illegals across
>the boarder into California.  Just don't direct that shit this way.  Utah
>really doesn't need that bullshit.  There is enough here already without the
>likes of your strain of infectious ooze.

I see. Who fucking died and made you Emperor of Utah?

>
>Third, you fool no one but yourself that your rantinging is limited only to
>the illegals who have come across the boarder from Mexico.  Your attacks
>have consistently been directed at "corrupt Mexican officials."  

Oh, indeed. Those are the most corrupt bastards in the hemisphere...if
not the planet. It's likely a result of the failed Mexican culture.

>Unless you
>want to go back and revise what you've said time and time again, your beef
>is not just with illegals.  Your beef is with race.

No. My beef is with Mexicans. Mexicans are not a "race". "Mexican" is
a nationality.

>
>I would guess that the best example of your real beef being about race is
>that you attack Ortega.  

Who the hell is Ortega?

>Let me challenge you on that.  I mean it.  Here is
>your chance to show everyone out there just how fucking RIGHT YOU ARE.  I
>want you to locate any real documentation that the Ortega you bash is an
>illegal from Mexico, or anywhere else south of the boarder.  

Who the fuck is Ortega?

>I don't want to
>see any of that "hea go to this web site and you'll see" and when I do, I
>see nothing but the rantings of some psychotic fuck like yourself who is
>paying $20 a month to put his crap out on the web.  

Oh. Where was that? http://www.novedades.com.mx/the-news.htm? There?

>I'll let you in on a
>little secret:  THAT SHIT IS NOT REAL!  

What isn't real? This isn't real?

"More than 7 million Mexican natives -- the equivalent
of 8 percent of the entire Mexican population -- are
now estimated to be living in the United States. Since
1990, California alone has absorbed the migration of 1
million Mexicans -- 80 percent of them entering
illegally, according to a study by the Urban Institute
in Washington, D.C."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1998/10/13/MN09INS.DTL

That's not real? I see.................. sheesh, Shannon....get that
thorazine prescription refilled soon. 

>It's on the internet you fucking
>idiot.  Anyone can put shit on the internet.  

Oh. Okay.

>Think about about it ratface,
>if I published Dr. Seuss on the web, would that mean that Horton really did
>hear a Who?  (I'm sorry that was a reference to a book most people read when
>they were growing up).

You really aren't too bright, are you, Shannon?

>
>I doubt you will take my challenge.  In fact, I know you will not.  

Challenge. Who the fuck is Ortega?

>I know
>you didn't follow my suggestion (challenge) that you talk to your neighbors
>and watch for that certain hesitation in their voice.  Go on.  Do it.  There
>is nothing to be afraid of.  DO IT!  

You are certifiable, Shannon. Fucking wacko.

>No, it's easier just to assume you are
>welcome where ever you go.  Oh, I know you have your little followers who
>feel bigger when they're behind you saying "yea, yea, you tell 'em."  But,
>for the most part, yours is a bad smell that few people want in their
>neighborhood.  

I must say, Shannon.... yours is about the most maniacal rant I have
ever seen.

>I know I cannot move you back where you came from, but I can
>burst the bubble at every turn in that sick journey of yours in order to
>prevent what you've got from spreading.

Oh. Okay. Go for it <heh heh>.

>
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we're on number four.  Since you
>obviously fear any kind of historical context to this discussion (sorry am I
>being rude?  I guess it's not polite to make fun of the historically
>challenged.  was the Dr. Seuss reference too much?), I will turn the
>discussion another way so you might be able to follow along.  There is some
>history here but it's not real old stuff like that last round we had.

I think, Shannon, that you are on your last leg, actually.

>
>Throughout the seventies and eighties California was wondering what to do
>with its criminal population.  Yes, many were gang-bangers and there were
>many of them who were pretty dangerous folks.  Not all, but some, maybe even
>a lot.  Anyway, California gets the fucking hair brained idea that it would
>be good to give these criminals a choice:  Either go to prison for what may
>well be the rest of your life, or take this bus ticket to Utah and don't
>come back.  Which choice would you guess was made most often?  That's right,
>a whole shit load of Californians headed out to the land of Zion with
>nothing but the promise of a new way of life (for those left behind in
>California that is).

Did that uplift your spirits?

>
>Anyway, as time progressed, Utah started having something of a gang problem.

It did? Well I'll be, Shannon. Tell you what....since you are now on
the subject of gang vermin here is another one of those fibs for you
to ponder:

Mexican gangsters are terrorizing pockets of New York with
violent turf wars that have claimed innocent lives.

....and the item goes on to say..........

"In Corona, Queens, suspected Mexican gang members Antonio
Torres, 18, and Roberto Mendoza, 22, blasted 24-year-old Enedino
Cruz in the chest with a shotgun on Roosevelt Ave., believing he was
in Los Vatos Locos.

According to prosecutors, Mendoza boasted after the September
1996 murder: "I shot him in the stomach and saw him fall down. He
died like a dog. One less Vato Loco to worry about." 

That particular lie was found at:
http://www.nydailynews.com/1998-10-12/News_and_Views/Crime_File/a-7711.asp
Hope that wasn't too much of a distraction for you, Shannon.

>Even an organized drug distribution problem.  Task forces were established.
>Money was spent.  How are we going to deal with the problem of less
>desirables coming into our state?  

See above.

>I still wonder that same thing when I
>read your horse shit.  So don't tell me about the problems California has
>had with its boarders.  Fuck California!  It had its chances to deal with
>the social problems it now faces and failed to do it.  

Well, perhaps if California had some decent politicians today things
would be better. Did you know that California's assembly speaker is
one of those "open the borders" Mexican assholes who also used to be a
MEChA leader?
http://www.americanpatrol.com/VILLARIMECHA.html

Maybe that's why the state is overrun by Mexicans, eh?


>Had California
>exercised some foresight, maybe things would be different there.  If they
>can get their shit together great, but until then, I don't want to hear the
>likes of you trying to convince everyone that what happened in California is
>what is going to happen in Utah.  

Oh....OK. But it already is in SLC, you know.

>You don't know shit about Utah.  Until you
>learn something about it, shut your trap. (I hope this helps answer
>Rothman's question)

I suggest that you go fuck yourself, Shannon. Really.

>
>Five?  But whose keeping track?  Your comment about living in the past is
>very revealing.  You say how dangerous it is?  Well sir, it is also
>dangerous not to know where you've come from.  Lest you soon get lost, a
>journey includes not only the knowledge of where you are but also where
>you've been and where you're going.  You would know this if you spent less
>time in the process of excretion and some, any, just a tid-bit, of time
>absorbing some knowledge.  Education my boy.  I speak to you of education.

You do? Hey, wait until your schools systems are faced with the
expense and nuisance of having to teach wetback offspring how to speak
the national language before they can even open a book.

>
>Six.  I wish you had flushed out the comment about immigration law.  What
>are you saying?  Why should I learn more about immigration law?  

It may not be a bad idea, Shannon. Que no?

>Is that
>really all you are talking about?  Law reform?  You want to reform the law?

No, not at all. I would much rather see the law strictly enforced.
With land mines if necessary.

>That is not what it sounded like you wanted to do.  I have been involved
>everyday for many years now in discussions about reforming the law and the
>discussion (if that's what it can be called) that you were engaged in
>sounded nothing like those I see and hear.

Zzzzzzzzzzzz.

>
>In short, what the Fuck do you know of immigration law?  Or any law for that
>matter?  Are you referring again to the babble you read on the web?  I am
>asking you.  Please tell me.  I want to know what the hell you meant.

Well, basically it is a misdemeanor at the very least for a foreign
national to enter the United States without first obtaining
permission. You were unaware of that?

>
>Seven.  To your freind Bill who cannot understand why I am down the
>"anti-illegals people" and believes I am once of those "individuals who are
>removed from it by region or job class?"  Bill, I am sure you mean well.
>But you do not know anything about me, my class, job, etc.  So, I will tell
>you.  I was raised in Utah my whole life, in a part of the Salt Lake Valley
>where there the Hispanic population was very significant.  I went to a high
>school that was very segrated socially between the "Mexicans and everyone
>else.  I am white.  I grew up very poor.  The bottom of the bottom class.  I
>have worked along side Hispanics when I worked in autobody shops,
>construction jobs and any other kind of job I had along the way.  Did I ever
>loose out on employment because a "Mexican" got the job?  Probably, but I
>also have lost out on a few because a caucasion got the job, sometimes even
>a Californian.  I knew no one from the white collar crowd until I was well
>into my late teens.  So as far as class goes, your wrong.  I am not so far
>removed.  As for geography, yes it's true.  I have never lived in
>California.  Nor do I have plans to but guess what.  This discussion is
>going on at utah.general.alt and I have responded purely from a Utah
>perspective.  What my point has been is that I am sick of people drawing
>conclusions from their experiences in California and bringing them her to
>Utah.  This is not California!!!  That is what BajaRat has done over and
>over again, and it makes me sick.  

What be that, Shannon?

>Utah is not the land of multiculturalism
>as was suggested by someone earlier.  I cannot believe that that was even
>suggested.  That peson has either never been to Utah, or has just arrived.
>Racism is alive and well in the land of Zion.  Narrow mindedness is alive
>and well in the land of Zion.

Lawlessness is alive and well all over the United States, Shannon. In
any given day, more Mexican nationals violate our laws than all
citizens combined do in a month.

>
>(p.s. for BAJA since he is now living in Utah: the word "Zion" is pronounced
>like the word "lion" not the word "ion."  So, just in case you're alreay in
>Utah, stop pronouncing it that way because everyone knows you're from
>California when you do.  See aren't I nice to let you in on a little Utah
>culture?)

Begin Twilight Zone theme....................

>
>Eight, and the last one.  I know you will be attracted to certain kinds of
>responses and I just want to run through two obvious ones so you do not have
>to waste your time and mine.  You could:
>    a)  Dismiss all I say by labelling me a "liberal."  Think again.  All
>this kind of response says is that you have no other response.  Furthermore,
>you do not know what my ideologies are.

Aw, pshawww, Shannon. Your rant is not "liberal" in any way. It's flat
out nuts is what it is. 

>    b)  Include more cool sound bites and special effects, preferably along
>the line of "fuck you cunt."  While worth a giggle or two, this little prank
>really did show just exactly where you are coming from.  (also see a.
>above).

I wouldn't waste my time on you, Shannon. You need help.

>    You have made many many bold statements and some assertions that need
>some explaining and support.  I hope you resist childish impulses to simply
>rant some more in hopes that my challenges will be lost in the group as it
>grows.  You're free to call me a fuck face and all that but damn it, I want
>substance as well.
>    YOU SAID, YOU DEFEND IT.

Can you be a bit more specific, wacko?

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