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Article #46Re: Convincing the management
From: Dwight D. Moore
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:58
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:58
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In article <1993Jan22.233827.11919@convex.com>, rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosenkranz) writes: |>while SUNs might not be the way to go (SPARC is way behind the RISC curve), |>i would put HP up against DEC any day. the PA-7100 chip can easily outperform |>the alpha running at a much higher clock speed. considering that an under $50k |>HP 735 turns in SPECfp92 of 150 while the $316k DEC 10000 (at 200 MHz) does |>only 200 seems like the 21064 is a weak implementation of the basic Alpha |>architecture (which does have some interesting aspects). HP is even better |>with DP Linpack (40.8 MFLOPS vs the 10000's 42.5 or so). also the 1000x1000 |>Linpack for alpha is actually lower than HP's (based on DEC's numbers in |>the november announcement). this tends to tell me that the tiny on-chip |>alpha caches and high latency off-chip cache is weak. also the fact that |>I/O busses off the chip run at most half the system clock speed does not |>help much either. i would expect a 200 MHz chip to get at least 180 MFLOPS |>on 1000x1000 linpack, if it were designed with technical (floating point) |>computing in mind. i also think HP has a better graphics story than DEC, |>though i am far from an "expert" in graphics. Ooops, you bit off on the HP marketing hype. Yes the initial benchmarks I have seen indicate that the HP outperforms the Alpha (but just edges out the $35K DEC 3000/500). As DEC RISC compiler techinology for the Alpha is still young. As the benchmarks using the KAP preprocessor have pointed out, you can squeeze as much as a %40 speed increase out of the Alpha. I predict you will seem some improvements on the benchmarks as DEC learns more about optimizing their code. HP has done a great job, though, of getting more bang out of their architecture. |>-bill |>rosenkra@convex.com How is Morgenstern? (and Hamlet?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dwight D. Moore Geosciences Computing Network University of Oklahoma dwight@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (129.15.40.10) These opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions of OU or the GCN. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroups: vmsnet.alpha Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!convex!constellation!geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu!dwight From: dwight@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu (Dwight D. Moore) Subject: Re: Convincing the management Originator: news@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu Sender: usenet@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu (Usenet Administrator) Message-ID: <C1F5t9.o5@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 16:58:16 GMT Reply-To: dwight@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu References: <1993Jan19.122854.22863@jyu.fi> <1993Jan21.143909.5254@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1993Jan22.233827.11919@convex.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu Organization: Geosciences Computing Network, Univ. of Oklahoma Lines: 38