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In article <1OCT199208343987@carat.arizona.edu>, jms@carat.arizona.edu (A virtually vegetal non-entity) writes:
> In article <8434779@MVB.SAIC.COM>, "CCF::GPE%hermes.mod.uk"@relay.MOD.UK
> writes... 
> 
>>Can someone please give me some information on the VMS source CDs. EG
> 
> Before you go too far, you need to distinguish between SOURCE and LISTINGS. 
> Actually, to really confuse things, Digital refers to the listings as the
> SOURCE LISTINGS, so when you ask about "source," you're really getting
> listings.

This is funny.  In the past, Digital has always referred to the listings as
"listings".  In fact one of the VMS product managers once told me that a large
source of the confusion within DEC re. this product was that customers kept
asking for "source listings" and DEC didn't know if they wanted sources or
listings.  These days I guess they've decided to change the product name to
match what people are asking for. 

Anyway, the part numbers and U.S. prices are:

	QB-001AB-E8	VMS SOURCE LSTS & LIC CDROM	$ 2180.00

If I read things correctly this comes with a year's worth of update service.
After that, the update service is:

	QT-001AB-Q8	VMS SOURCE LSTS CDROM UPD SVC	$  780.00 (per year)

Source listings on fiche or mag tape are no longer available. 

> Getting listings is easy.  

I wouldn't say so.  Getting your local sales critter to even admit that such
things exist can be difficult.  "Oh, no, we don't sell listings."  This is
especially painful since a lot of us in DECUS went to a lot of trouble to
convince DEC to offer the machine-readable listings kit... and they may well
withdraw it if it doesn't sell well... and it won't sell very well if the sales
dweebs won't admit that it exists! 

Anyway, the QB kit includes the media and the necessary license.  You are 
required to sign a special source license agreement.  

> SOURCE, on the other hand, is extremely difficult and expensive (about $25k
> in the US).  If I were you, I'd give it up.  It took me three years to get
> Digital to cough up a source kit for VMS (although they did send 5.4).  I have
> been told by the product manager that there will probably never be a 
> SOURCE kit done after 5.4. 
> 
> jms

Well, once again, if enough people would buy it, DEC will sell it.  
What was the model number for the source kit?  I can't find it on the e-store. 

	--- Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Consulting, San Diego CA
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