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"tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message 
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> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP,

It's spin that Howard would be proud of to give the margin in primary votes when 
you know it's wider in 2PP votes.

> no wonder Rudd did
> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
> US.
>
> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
> reply on for ideas.
>
> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> Not before time either.

It's just his election strategy and everyone knows it. Remember Howard's "small 
target" strategy in 1996?

tim wrote:
> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
> US.
>
> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
> reply on for ideas.
>
> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> Not before time either.
**********************************
How crazy old John will win the next election:

Crazy old John:
Here, suck on this withered old sausage.
Stupid Voters:
Oh, can we mister PM, please can we?
Crazy old John:
Sure you can, and you can have a pay cut also.
Stupid Voters:
How can we repay you, Your Majesty?
Crazy old John:
When you finish with the sausage, you may
notice that my arse needs extra attention.
********************************************

On Oct 30, 2:59 pm, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
> US.
>
> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
> reply on for ideas.
>
> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> Not before time either.

When was the last time the coalition won an election without being in
front on primaries?

Fran

On Oct 30, 2:30 pm, "David W" <n...@email.provided> wrote:
> "tim" <t...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> news:uqadi39aak9qeip0kafd1ueb32fvndut46@4ax.com...
>
> > News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP,
>
> It's spin that Howard would be proud of to give the margin in primary votes when
> you know it's wider in 2PP votes.
>
> > no wonder Rudd did
> > another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
> > plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
> > US.
>
> > Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
> > everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
> > everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
> > Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
> > reply on for ideas.
>
> > I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> > Not before time either.
>
> It's just his election strategy and everyone knows it. Remember Howard's "small
> target" strategy in 1996?

Fact is the only day your opinion is worth anything is polling day ,
personally having watch both the abc and then the worm broadcasts
there are observable differences which the worm does not honestly
reflect . ( Swan looks even slower than normal on live tv)

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:59:55 GMT, tim <tim@nospam.com> wrote:

>News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, 

Um, er..... 8 actually.



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"tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message 
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> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> Not before time either.

You mean Howard is starting to supply x-rays to people. 

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:34:27 -0700, Benway <captainoz@mailpuppy.com>
wrote:

>
>tim wrote:
>> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
>> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
>> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
>> US.
>>
>> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
>> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
>> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
>> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
>> reply on for ideas.
>>
>> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
>> Not before time either.
>**********************************
>How crazy old John will win the next election:
>
>Crazy old John:
>Here, suck on this withered old sausage.
>Stupid Voters:
>Oh, can we mister PM, please can we?
>Crazy old John:
>Sure you can, and you can have a pay cut also.
>Stupid Voters:
>How can we repay you, Your Majesty?
>Crazy old John:
>When you finish with the sausage, you may
>notice that my arse needs extra attention.
>********************************************

I can smell your fear that the ALP are losing it.
Keep it up as it looks like your desperate.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:55:03 -0700, Fran <Fran.Beta@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 30, 2:59 pm, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
>> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
>> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
>> US.
>>
>> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
>> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
>> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
>> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
>> reply on for ideas.
>>
>> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
>> Not before time either.
>
>When was the last time the coalition won an election without being in
>front on primaries?

A couple of the elections the ALP was 51% to 49% and 51.5% to 48.5%
and still won the election. One of them was against Beazily. Hawke in
one election was also down after the election but because he like
Howard targetted margin seats won government.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:01:06 GMT, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen  X.
Carter) wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:59:55 GMT, tim <tim@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, 
>
>Um, er..... 8 actually.

ABC news has it at 6 points.
Still if you are right and its 8 points then its still better than the
previous week when it was 16 points down when it was 58 to 42 on two
party preferred.

No wonder Rudd is saying me too again:)

tim wrote:
> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
> US.

KRudd's been shitting himself over everything.

> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
> reply on for ideas.

I can see KRudd shitting himself if he wins! ha ha ha!

> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> Not before time either.

Yep.

On Oct 30, 5:41 pm, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:01:06 GMT, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen  X.
>
> Carter) wrote:
> >On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:59:55 GMT, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP,
>
> >Um, er..... 8 actually.
>
> ABC news has it at 6 points.
> Still if you are right and its 8 points then its still better than the
> previous week when it was 16 points down when it was 58 to 42 on two
> party preferred.
>
> No wonder Rudd is saying me too again:)

You're confusing 2PP and primaries, which partly explains your faulty
answer above.

Primaries is the percentage of people who put "1" next to the party of
their choice. (That's why when you add up the major party primaries it
doesn't reach 100%).

2PP is about effective preferences, and does add up to 100%

Primaries ALP 48
Coalition 42 (-6)

2PP (54-46) - 8 (Newspoll)

Fran

Commie deadbeat Fran wrote:
> On Oct 30, 5:41 pm, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:01:06 GMT, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen  X.
> >
> > Carter) wrote:
> > >On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:59:55 GMT, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP,
> >
> > >Um, er..... 8 actually.
> >
> > ABC news has it at 6 points.
> > Still if you are right and its 8 points then its still better than the
> > previous week when it was 16 points down when it was 58 to 42 on two
> > party preferred.
> >
> > No wonder Rudd is saying me too again:)
>
> You're confusing 2PP and primaries, which partly explains your faulty
> answer above.
>
> Primaries is the percentage of people who put "1" next to the party of
> their choice. (That's why when you add up the major party primaries it
> doesn't reach 100%).
>
> 2PP is about effective preferences, and does add up to 100%
>
> Primaries ALP 48
> Coalition 42 (-6)
>
> 2PP (54-46) - 8 (Newspoll)

Like you'd know, Flan. You don't even vote.

Commie deadbeat Fran wrote:
> On Oct 30, 5:41 pm, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:01:06 GMT, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen  X.
> >
> > Carter) wrote:
> > >On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:59:55 GMT, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > >>News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP,
> >
> > >Um, er..... 8 actually.
> >
> > ABC news has it at 6 points.
> > Still if you are right and its 8 points then its still better than the
> > previous week when it was 16 points down when it was 58 to 42 on two
> > party preferred.
> >
> > No wonder Rudd is saying me too again:)
>
> You're confusing 2PP and primaries, which partly explains your faulty
> answer above.
>
> Primaries is the percentage of people who put "1" next to the party of
> their choice. (That's why when you add up the major party primaries it
> doesn't reach 100%).
>
> 2PP is about effective preferences, and does add up to 100%
>
> Primaries ALP 48
> Coalition 42 (-6)
>
> 2PP (54-46) - 8 (Newspoll)

Like you'd know, Flan. You don't even vote.

On Oct 30, 6:17 pm, Little Johnny Howard <pmjwhow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Commie deadbeat Fran wrote:
> > On Oct 30, 5:41 pm, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:01:06 GMT, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen  X.
>
> > > Carter) wrote:
> > > >On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:59:55 GMT, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP,
>
> > > >Um, er..... 8 actually.
>
> > > ABC news has it at 6 points.
> > > Still if you are right and its 8 points then its still better than the
> > > previous week when it was 16 points down when it was 58 to 42 on two
> > > party preferred.
>
> > > No wonder Rudd is saying me too again:)
>
> > You're confusing 2PP and primaries, which partly explains your faulty
> > answer above.
>
> > Primaries is the percentage of people who put "1" next to the party of
> > their choice. (That's why when you add up the major party primaries it
> > doesn't reach 100%).
>
> > 2PP is about effective preferences, and does add up to 100%
>
> > Primaries ALP 48
> > Coalition 42 (-6)
>
> > 2PP (54-46) - 8 (Newspoll)
>
> Like you'd know, Flan. You don't even vote

I don't eat meat either, but that doesn't stop me knowing which part
of a cow rump comes from.

You're a sad case. So keen to take a swing and so little material.

Fran

"tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:55:03 -0700, Fran <Fran.Beta@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 30, 2:59 pm, tim <t...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
> >> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
> >> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
> >> US.
> >>
> >> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
> >> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
> >> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
> >> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
> >> reply on for ideas.
> >>
> >> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> >> Not before time either.
> >
> >When was the last time the coalition won an election without being in
> >front on primaries?
>
> A couple of the elections the ALP was 51% to 49% and 51.5% to 48.5%
> and still won the election.

Fran asked about _primary_ votes, not 2PP. You talk about primary votes when
2PP is appropriate, and 2PP when primary votes are appropriate. You must be
worried.

"tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message 
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> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
> US.
>
> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
> reply on for ideas.
>
> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
> Not before time either.
>

Not to worry. There are so many desperate people out there, even if Howard 
wins, someone is going to shoot the bastard within a week. 

"H Dickmann" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message 
> news:uqadi39aak9qeip0kafd1ueb32fvndut46@4ax.com...
>> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
>> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
>> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
>> US.
>>
>> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
>> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
>> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
>> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
>> reply on for ideas.
>>
>> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
>> Not before time either.
>>
>
> Not to worry. There are so many desperate people out there, even if Howard 
> wins, someone is going to shoot the bastard within a week.

People aren't as desperate as you.

"Green Lantern" <green@peril.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "H Dickmann" <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message 
> news:JsCVi.6777$CN4.6052@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "tim" <tim@nospam.com> wrote in message 
>> news:uqadi39aak9qeip0kafd1ueb32fvndut46@4ax.com...
>>> News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, no wonder Rudd did
>>> another backflip on climate change, now supports Howard on NOT doing a
>>> plan for 2012 if China and india are not on the table along with the
>>> US.
>>>
>>> Rudds plan is to follow the opinion polls and Howard and say me too on
>>> everything. No wonder Rudd has to have over 300 comittess on
>>> everything to come up with ideas because at present he's copying
>>> Howard all the way. If Rudd wins he's not have Howard/Costello to
>>> reply on for ideas.
>>>
>>> I think the Australian people are starting to see through Rudd.
>>> Not before time either.
>>>
>>
>> Not to worry. There are so many desperate people out there, even if 
>> Howard wins, someone is going to shoot the bastard within a week.
>
> People aren't as desperate as you.
>
You have never done any charity work have you?
Go out at night among the homeless, the families with children who live on 
the street.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:41:37 GMT, tim <tim@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:01:06 GMT, steve@[127.0.0.1] (Stephen  X.
>Carter) wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:59:55 GMT, tim <tim@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>News poll has Libs only 6 points behind the ALP, 
>>
>>Um, er..... 8 actually.
>
>ABC news has it at 6 points.

Wrong.


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