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"Carter Lee" <crlee@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Glen Hallick wrote:
> > "Carter Lee" <crlee@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>
> >>Yes and you and other American hating leftists
> >
> >
> > American hating leftists?
>
> Yes that's what I said.

Are they any American hating rightists?


>
>   I for one have NOT said anything that is hateful
> > of the US. I have indeed criticized its government's foreign policy
> > particularly when it comes to overthrowing DEMOCRATICALLY elected
> > governments (ie: Arbenz in Guatemala and Allende in Chile) among other
> > things.
>
> ....and, I might add, tried to use such things to support your
> disagreement with the disarming of a dictatorial despot who is in
> violation of a multitude of UN resolutions.  Maybe you thought Saddam
> was democratically elected?

Twisting words again Carter? I have made it very clear that I do not disgree
with disarming the Iraqi military of its WDM's. Yet you continue to spin
this lie.



>   Furthermore I have indeed been very critical of the Bush
> > Administration's drive to launch a war of aggression against Iraq.
>
> I would be also if it was a war of aggression that he is proposing, it
> is not and only an American hating leftist could consider it such.

What threat does Iraq pose to the US? It's military is still a shadow of its
former self after getting the shit kicked out of it by the US and its
coalition.



>
>   To me
> > there is a lot of similarity between Iraq's invasion of Kuwait back in
1990
> > and the war Bush et al are pushing for today.
>
> Maybe to you but not to the rest of the population, unless there is
> someone out there who believes Kuwait was thumbing it's nose at UN
> resolutions and had to be disarmed.

Kuwait and Iraq were in a dispute over oil drilling. Iraq charged that
Kuwait was taking oil from Iraqi territory.


>
> > The problem with some of the pro-war crowd is they are fanatics when in
> > comes to political correctness. Anyone dare's to say anything blatantly
or
> > remotely negative about US policy and sure as hell there are people like
you
> > extremely eager to label that person as being anti-American.
>
> I wouldn't know about that, not being part of the pro-war crowd.

BBBWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! You're quite the comedian Carter.


> The
> problem is that to you leftists anybody who refuses to be bullied by
> regimes such as that led by Saddam Hussein is pro-war.

More of your bullshit covered spin.


> I can assure you I am not pro-war, at least not by your definition, but
> I do accept the reality that Saddam Hussein will not voluntarily comply
> with UN resolutions and therefore must be forced to do so.
>

If you are not pro-war then in last few weeks you have changed your mind.
You and I have tangled over this issue from quite some time, it is quite
clear you are very much in favour of a war.


> >>are trying to use that
> >>fact to excuse Iraq's refusal to comply with UN resolutions requiring it
> >>to disarm.
>
> > More of your narrow minded bullshit.
>
> Very cogent.
>
>
> > If I am anti-American then by the same reasoning you are nothing more
than
> > an establishment apparatchik with a very myopic view of the US, one that
> > gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling, and is only made worse by the
rose-coloured
> > glasses you look through.
>
> If you believe that then you know nothing, and throughout our usenet
> conversations, have learned nothing about me but, go ahead, believe what
> you will.

I have learned you're a hard-core right-winger with a deep seeded hatred to
anything that is or perceived to be left-wing. You have on occassion made
claims of having been employed in the intelligence field. You have also made
claims of defending democracy, yet given your vemonous streak towards the
left I sometime wonder what you were defending.

>
> >>Where Iraq may have got it's WMD is totally irrelevant to
> >>the issue of it's required disarmament.
>
> > And even more your silly bullshit.
>
> Another of your cogent remarks?

Seems to me turning a blind eye to from who Iraq acquired its WDM's is
allowing a guilty party to get off. I guess Churchill was right, the first
casualty in war is the truth.


> > You seem to be dreadfully unwilling to acknowledge that most of the
anti-war
> > movement does not want Iraq to have these WMD's.
>
> They have a strange way of showing it.

It's been clear as bell to me. Perhaps your hatred of the Left prevents you
from seeing this?



>   That they do indeed realize
> > what kind of bastard Saddam Hussien really is. They do not think that a
war
> > is the best means to rectify the situation and they have come out in the
> > millions all over the world.
>
> Yes, but have they come out with any relatively sure way of disarming
> Iraq while Saddam is in charge?  No!

Allow me to apply that question to you. Other than war, you haven't
mentioned anyother means.


>
> > When you shove your anti-left blathering up your arse...sideways...then
> > perhaps you and I can make a little progress discussing this issue.
>
> Not until you shove your pro-war and 'drooling for war' bullshit up your
> arse.

From what I have seen on the Usenet, you are definately a leading propenent
for war. Yet now you seem to be backing down.

Glen