🚀 go-pugleaf

Andrew wrote:

> "Sensei Brent" <senseibrentxxx@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:3E1F2143.3779BED0@shaw.ca...
> >
> > I find it interesting how you equate socialism to the loss of freedom.
> Examine
> > the US. Patriot Act obliterates freedoms wholesale,  most of these ideas
> for
> > databases come from the US with the one exception, the database on guns.
> The
> > US is trying to pass a law, and likely will that has been referred to as
> TAI
> > Total Access to Information.  This law will allow the US gvt to collect in
> one
> > place all know info on any person i.e. health information, credit history,
> > driving records and if available finger prints and DNA.  It won't be long
> > before they just routinely collect fingerprints from people doing business
> with
> > the government.  You can be denied all rights in the US on the mere
> suspicion
> > of being an "illegal enemy combatant".  That includes any rights to trial,
> > lawyer etc. Parts of the Patriot act have been challenged in court, a
> secret
> > court that only the gvt can present.   Americans are only free to do what
> the
> > gvt believes correct.  Yup it is not far fetched to see the US
> jack-booting
> > over Canada, but it won't be because we're socialists, it will be because
> we
> > offend them by not toadying well enough.
> >
> > Sensei Brent
> >
>
> But the US government will not be forcing people to submit DNA smaples
> before they can use government services. You don't need a credit rating,
> your driving history tells little about you that can be used to deny you
> access to gov't programs, and your finger prints should be available to the
> government if you've ever been convicted. There is nothing the government
> can collect from you that can be near as damaging as your DNA information.
>
> Using your analogy the fact that the government has my drivers license
> number means that having my DNA code is the same thing.
>
> Andrew

Perhaps i did not state my case clearly.  I do not mean to equate the two, the
TAI plan would include DNA if they can get it (i.e. if you have had a dna test
for some reason).  It also gives them the right to collect information for all
sources.   I doubt they will immediately force the presence of DNA samples but
I do well believe there will be a strong effort to surreptitiously collect that
information when possible.  For example to be a teacher in tat least some  US
states you have to provide fingerprints, why not make that DNA, it is a more
reliable identifier.

I whole heartedly agree there is nothing more damaging than the gvt having DNA
samples,  I disagree that political philosophy (socialism vs capitalism) has
anything to do with the likelihood that it will or won't be collected by the
gvt.  I doubt they will have to demand it, they will simply collect extant
information....for now.

Sensei Brent