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actully the P3 has a better artecture then the AMDs, the amds cache only
runs (at best) half of the actual CPUs clocking speed, the p2/3 runs full
speed. I have a dell celron that runs nice and cool.
Sean

"Draco Ravenloft" <draco81@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:394E8848.3CC6E00E@swbell.net...
> I've been shopping around for Laptops that come with either Linux
> preinstalled or no OS at all....  So far I found a few resonable ones
> that have linux in them, but they run either a celery or a PII/III.
> PIIIs suck altogether, and with the exception of Sony VAIOs Pentiums +
> Laptop tends to = over heat problem.  I know a few companies make AMD
> laptops..... but I can't seem to find them.
>
> Anyone know if the lower resource drag from Linux.... might make the
> pentiums heat up less... or if anyone makes a laptop with a pentium in
> it besides Sony that keep really kewl... but also make them with linux
> (Dell makes linux based notebooks......  they get too hot?).   I've been
> shopping at linuxmall.com and stuff and can't seem to find much.
>

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:53:28 -0500, Draco Ravenloft wrote:
>I've been shopping around for Laptops that come with either Linux
>preinstalled or no OS at all....  So far I found a few resonable ones
>that have linux in them, but they run either a celery or a PII/III.
>PIIIs suck altogether, and with the exception of Sony VAIOs Pentiums +
>Laptop tends to = over heat problem.  I know a few companies make AMD
>laptops..... but I can't seem to find them.
>
>Anyone know if the lower resource drag from Linux.... might make the
>pentiums heat up less... or if anyone makes a laptop with a pentium in
>it besides Sony that keep really kewl... but also make them with linux
>(Dell makes linux based notebooks......  they get too hot?).   I've been
>shopping at linuxmall.com and stuff and can't seem to find much.

Well, actually it will be worst if you're using AMD since most AMD notebooks 
come with desktop AMD processor instead of the mobile one. I've no idea the
recent AMD based notebooks from major notebook vendors like Compaq, Toshiba or
HP. I'm running desktop version of processor on my socket 7 notebook and it does
sometimes getting too hot. I've just bought a Celeron based Armada V300 notebook
but I have not receive it yet.. so I've no idea how good is Compaq.

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no.. you have that backward when referring to the Athlons. And P3s are buggy
POSs.... I know people who have P3 500+s, they run worse, and slower than my
roomate's P2 400.  And they crash all the bloody time.

P3 sucks, and I have run my own tests on P2 vs AMD and found AMD to win out
virtually everytime except under 1 screen saver and 2 programs that were
specifically written for Intels.

Sean wrote:

> actully the P3 has a better artecture then the AMDs, the amds cache only
> runs (at best) half of the actual CPUs clocking speed, the p2/3 runs full
> speed. I have a dell celron that runs nice and cool.
> Sean
>
> "Draco Ravenloft" <draco81@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:394E8848.3CC6E00E@swbell.net...
> > I've been shopping around for Laptops that come with either Linux
> > preinstalled or no OS at all....  So far I found a few resonable ones
> > that have linux in them, but they run either a celery or a PII/III.
> > PIIIs suck altogether, and with the exception of Sony VAIOs Pentiums +
> > Laptop tends to = over heat problem.  I know a few companies make AMD
> > laptops..... but I can't seem to find them.
> >
> > Anyone know if the lower resource drag from Linux.... might make the
> > pentiums heat up less... or if anyone makes a laptop with a pentium in
> > it besides Sony that keep really kewl... but also make them with linux
> > (Dell makes linux based notebooks......  they get too hot?).   I've been
> > shopping at linuxmall.com and stuff and can't seem to find much.
> >

ever since the Pentium they quit making a differance in Mobile vs Desktop chips.
Intels use a desktop chip too.......... just to fit it in there they take that
damnable plastic shell off of it.  which is a smart way to keep a Desktop cool as
well. (not to mention free up a LOT of room)

Hamid Misnan wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:53:28 -0500, Draco Ravenloft wrote:
> >I've been shopping around for Laptops that come with either Linux
> >preinstalled or no OS at all....  So far I found a few resonable ones
> >that have linux in them, but they run either a celery or a PII/III.
> >PIIIs suck altogether, and with the exception of Sony VAIOs Pentiums +
> >Laptop tends to = over heat problem.  I know a few companies make AMD
> >laptops..... but I can't seem to find them.
> >
> >Anyone know if the lower resource drag from Linux.... might make the
> >pentiums heat up less... or if anyone makes a laptop with a pentium in
> >it besides Sony that keep really kewl... but also make them with linux
> >(Dell makes linux based notebooks......  they get too hot?).   I've been
> >shopping at linuxmall.com and stuff and can't seem to find much.
>
> Well, actually it will be worst if you're using AMD since most AMD notebooks
> come with desktop AMD processor instead of the mobile one. I've no idea the
> recent AMD based notebooks from major notebook vendors like Compaq, Toshiba or
> HP. I'm running desktop version of processor on my socket 7 notebook and it does
> sometimes getting too hot. I've just bought a Celeron based Armada V300 notebook
> but I have not receive it yet.. so I've no idea how good is Compaq.
>
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> -                Speak softly and carry a cellular phone.

I hadn't noticed your last comment about Compaq.... and well.   Those things don't
exist to me.  EVERY compaq I've ever messed with was a POS. It would crash everytime
I sneezed (I'm only BARELY exaggerating this BTW) and were 1 - 2 THOUSAND dollars
more expensive than what i could build a better system for myself (this was
factoring in back in the day when they would say the total value of preinstalled
software).  I have the same problem with Gateway

Hamid Misnan wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:53:28 -0500, Draco Ravenloft wrote:
> >I've been shopping around for Laptops that come with either Linux
> >preinstalled or no OS at all....  So far I found a few resonable ones
> >that have linux in them, but they run either a celery or a PII/III.
> >PIIIs suck altogether, and with the exception of Sony VAIOs Pentiums +
> >Laptop tends to = over heat problem.  I know a few companies make AMD
> >laptops..... but I can't seem to find them.
> >
> >Anyone know if the lower resource drag from Linux.... might make the
> >pentiums heat up less... or if anyone makes a laptop with a pentium in
> >it besides Sony that keep really kewl... but also make them with linux
> >(Dell makes linux based notebooks......  they get too hot?).   I've been
> >shopping at linuxmall.com and stuff and can't seem to find much.
>
> Well, actually it will be worst if you're using AMD since most AMD notebooks
> come with desktop AMD processor instead of the mobile one. I've no idea the
> recent AMD based notebooks from major notebook vendors like Compaq, Toshiba or
> HP. I'm running desktop version of processor on my socket 7 notebook and it does
> sometimes getting too hot. I've just bought a Celeron based Armada V300 notebook
> but I have not receive it yet.. so I've no idea how good is Compaq.
>
> --
> |Mohd Hamid Misnan | http://www.mhmsys.com    | hamidmisnan@ieee.org       |
> |AMD-Linux & iMac Bondi Blue & PalmVx & eTrex | hamidmisnan@alumni.uop.edu |
> -                Speak softly and carry a cellular phone.

In article <3951AD01.987FA14C@swbell.net>,
	Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> writes:
> I hadn't noticed your last comment about Compaq.... and well.   Those things don't
> exist to me.  EVERY compaq I've ever messed with was a POS. It would crash everytime
> I sneezed (I'm only BARELY exaggerating this BTW) and were 1 - 2 THOUSAND dollars
> more expensive than what i could build a better system for myself (this was
> factoring in back in the day when they would say the total value of preinstalled
> software).  I have the same problem with Gateway

FWIW, I've been happy with Linux's performance on my Compaq Presario
1200-XL106 notebook. This thing does use some fairly bleeding-edge
technology, but there are drivers for all of it under Linux. I've had
no reliability problems under Linux. (Win98, OTOH, frequently locks up
when returning from sleep mode.) It uses an AMD K6-2 CPU. For details,
check my web page on it:

http://www.rodsbooks.com/presario/

-- 
Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration

Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> writes:

 >ever since the Pentium they quit making a differance in Mobile vs Desktop chips.

Hmmmm...my wife's laptop uses a Pentium II Mobile, so at least the
name is different.  I don't know if there is any functional
difference.  This laptop includes a tiny fan that is apparently
utilized based on temperature.

Someone else posting to this thread bashed Compaq laptops.  My Aero
(486SX) & Armada 1120 (P-100) are reliable Linux machines & are still
supported on Compaq's web site (software) & pcservice.com has repair
parts available.  Both have memory upgrades & I've have installed disk
upgrades (1.2gig & 2gig) myself.  I'm not particularly a fan of Compaq
(I prefer to assemble my own desktops) but these laptops have served
me well.


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I prefer to build my desktops too.   Wish it were as easy to build my own laptop...
I'd do it in a heartbeat


bgeer wrote:

> Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> writes:
>
>  >ever since the Pentium they quit making a differance in Mobile vs Desktop chips.
>
> Hmmmm...my wife's laptop uses a Pentium II Mobile, so at least the
> name is different.  I don't know if there is any functional
> difference.  This laptop includes a tiny fan that is apparently
> utilized based on temperature.
>
> Someone else posting to this thread bashed Compaq laptops.  My Aero
> (486SX) & Armada 1120 (P-100) are reliable Linux machines & are still
> supported on Compaq's web site (software) & pcservice.com has repair
> parts available.  Both have memory upgrades & I've have installed disk
> upgrades (1.2gig & 2gig) myself.  I'm not particularly a fan of Compaq
> (I prefer to assemble my own desktops) but these laptops have served
> me well.
>
> --
> <> Robert Geer & Donna Tomky  |               *             <>
> <>    bgeer@xmission.com      |    _o      *   o *      o   <>
> <>    dtomky@xmission.com     |   -\<,      * <\      </L   <>
> <> Salt Lake City, Utah  USA  |   O/ O     __ /__,    />    <>

Interesting... Mayhaps they just know how to make laptops and not desktop?

oh well.....  I'll look into those since they are ones I can get preinstalled with linux
(my biggest concern...  compatibility I never was worried about... it was not wanting to
pay the additional 100+ bucks for Winderz32)

Rod Smith wrote:

> In article <3951AD01.987FA14C@swbell.net>,
>         Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> writes:
> > I hadn't noticed your last comment about Compaq.... and well.   Those things don't
> > exist to me.  EVERY compaq I've ever messed with was a POS. It would crash everytime
> > I sneezed (I'm only BARELY exaggerating this BTW) and were 1 - 2 THOUSAND dollars
> > more expensive than what i could build a better system for myself (this was
> > factoring in back in the day when they would say the total value of preinstalled
> > software).  I have the same problem with Gateway
>
> FWIW, I've been happy with Linux's performance on my Compaq Presario
> 1200-XL106 notebook. This thing does use some fairly bleeding-edge
> technology, but there are drivers for all of it under Linux. I've had
> no reliability problems under Linux. (Win98, OTOH, frequently locks up
> when returning from sleep mode.) It uses an AMD K6-2 CPU. For details,
> check my web page on it:
>
> http://www.rodsbooks.com/presario/
>
> --
> Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
> http://www.rodsbooks.com
> Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration

I have had no problems getting mandrake, suse, redhat or caldera to run on
my gateway 9300.  It is  a great machine, but I just hope I dont ever need
repairs.  They dont have the best customer support in the world.
Nevertheless, as far as I am concerned there are only 3 laptops made.  IBM,
Dell, and Gateway.

Mark




Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:3952C087.1D56035D@swbell.net...
> Interesting... Mayhaps they just know how to make laptops and not desktop?
>
> oh well.....  I'll look into those since they are ones I can get
preinstalled with linux
> (my biggest concern...  compatibility I never was worried about... it was
not wanting to
> pay the additional 100+ bucks for Winderz32)
>
> Rod Smith wrote:
>
> > In article <3951AD01.987FA14C@swbell.net>,
> >         Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> writes:
> > > I hadn't noticed your last comment about Compaq.... and well.   Those
things don't
> > > exist to me.  EVERY compaq I've ever messed with was a POS. It would
crash everytime
> > > I sneezed (I'm only BARELY exaggerating this BTW) and were 1 - 2
THOUSAND dollars
> > > more expensive than what i could build a better system for myself
(this was
> > > factoring in back in the day when they would say the total value of
preinstalled
> > > software).  I have the same problem with Gateway
> >
> > FWIW, I've been happy with Linux's performance on my Compaq Presario
> > 1200-XL106 notebook. This thing does use some fairly bleeding-edge
> > technology, but there are drivers for all of it under Linux. I've had
> > no reliability problems under Linux. (Win98, OTOH, frequently locks up
> > when returning from sleep mode.) It uses an AMD K6-2 CPU. For details,
> > check my web page on it:
> >
> > http://www.rodsbooks.com/presario/
> >
> > --
> > Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
> > http://www.rodsbooks.com
> > Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
>

yeah...  I do like IBM.  do they still make the thinkpads with the full sized
keyboard?

Dell is good too, I was just concerned over problems I'd noticed dealing with
Intel based mobiles.

Mark G wrote:

> I have had no problems getting mandrake, suse, redhat or caldera to run on
> my gateway 9300.  It is  a great machine, but I just hope I dont ever need
> repairs.  They dont have the best customer support in the world.
> Nevertheless, as far as I am concerned there are only 3 laptops made.  IBM,
> Dell, and Gateway.
>
> Mark
>
> Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:3952C087.1D56035D@swbell.net...
> > Interesting... Mayhaps they just know how to make laptops and not desktop?
> >
> > oh well.....  I'll look into those since they are ones I can get
> preinstalled with linux
> > (my biggest concern...  compatibility I never was worried about... it was
> not wanting to
> > pay the additional 100+ bucks for Winderz32)
> >
> > Rod Smith wrote:
> >
> > > In article <3951AD01.987FA14C@swbell.net>,
> > >         Draco Ravenloft <draco81@swbell.net> writes:
> > > > I hadn't noticed your last comment about Compaq.... and well.   Those
> things don't
> > > > exist to me.  EVERY compaq I've ever messed with was a POS. It would
> crash everytime
> > > > I sneezed (I'm only BARELY exaggerating this BTW) and were 1 - 2
> THOUSAND dollars
> > > > more expensive than what i could build a better system for myself
> (this was
> > > > factoring in back in the day when they would say the total value of
> preinstalled
> > > > software).  I have the same problem with Gateway
> > >
> > > FWIW, I've been happy with Linux's performance on my Compaq Presario
> > > 1200-XL106 notebook. This thing does use some fairly bleeding-edge
> > > technology, but there are drivers for all of it under Linux. I've had
> > > no reliability problems under Linux. (Win98, OTOH, frequently locks up
> > > when returning from sleep mode.) It uses an AMD K6-2 CPU. For details,
> > > check my web page on it:
> > >
> > > http://www.rodsbooks.com/presario/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
> > > http://www.rodsbooks.com
> > > Author of books on Linux networking & multi-OS configuration
> >

>
> FWIW, I've been happy with Linux's performance on my Compaq Presario
> 1200-XL106 notebook. This thing does use some fairly bleeding-edge
> technology, but there are drivers for all of it under Linux. I've had
> no reliability problems under Linux. (Win98, OTOH, frequently locks up
> when returning from sleep mode.) It uses an AMD K6-2 CPU. For details,
> check my web page on it:

Hi Rod, I have the 1200-XL103, and I 'm trying to setup my synaptics under
X.
Where do you find drivers for that?

Thanks
Spiros

compaq makes AMD laptops. If you wait a few weeks you will be able to
get the portable athlon processor instead of the old k6-x family.

And to set the rest of you straight classic AMD athlons run at 1/2 to
1/3 l2 cache speed. k6-x has half speed off chip l2. Thunderbird and
duron(new athlons) both run at full speed. Pentium 2's and p3 katmais
(not .18micron) both run at 1/2 cache speed. celerons faster then 333
and newer p3's including celeron 2' run at full speed.

Trust me i know about this kind of thing

-Jeremaih
Webmaster thecoldshop.com


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Before you buy.

ok...  I really don't trust Compaq, but then again I HAVE only used it in
conjunction with Windoze, and I abhore their prices..  but I guess it
couldn't hurt since I've seen so many people respond with favorable
comments about their portable line.

And the Athlons only run 1/2- 1/3?!  Everything I'd ever read or heard
was that among better and faster overall architecture, they kept
outrunning the PIIIs by going full, while the PIII was lucky to make 1/2.

now I'm REALLY impressed...
Where can I find a smp thunderbird or duron motherboard?! :-)

tongboy@home.com wrote:

> compaq makes AMD laptops. If you wait a few weeks you will be able to
> get the portable athlon processor instead of the old k6-x family.
>
> And to set the rest of you straight classic AMD athlons run at 1/2 to
> 1/3 l2 cache speed. k6-x has half speed off chip l2. Thunderbird and
> duron(new athlons) both run at full speed. Pentium 2's and p3 katmais
> (not .18micron) both run at 1/2 cache speed. celerons faster then 333
> and newer p3's including celeron 2' run at full speed.
>
> Trust me i know about this kind of thing
>
> -Jeremaih
> Webmaster thecoldshop.com
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

there is a program called waterfall that should cool your system down. That
is in windows...there oughtta be something similar for linux or it might be
ported.
"Draco Ravenloft" <draco81@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:3951AC21.B3EFAC53@swbell.net...
> no.. you have that backward when referring to the Athlons. And P3s are
buggy
> POSs.... I know people who have P3 500+s, they run worse, and slower than
my
> roomate's P2 400.  And they crash all the bloody time.
>
> P3 sucks, and I have run my own tests on P2 vs AMD and found AMD to win
out
> virtually everytime except under 1 screen saver and 2 programs that were
> specifically written for Intels.
>
> Sean wrote:
>
> > actully the P3 has a better artecture then the AMDs, the amds cache only
> > runs (at best) half of the actual CPUs clocking speed, the p2/3 runs
full
> > speed. I have a dell celron that runs nice and cool.
> > Sean
> >
> > "Draco Ravenloft" <draco81@swbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:394E8848.3CC6E00E@swbell.net...
> > > I've been shopping around for Laptops that come with either Linux
> > > preinstalled or no OS at all....  So far I found a few resonable ones
> > > that have linux in them, but they run either a celery or a PII/III.
> > > PIIIs suck altogether, and with the exception of Sony VAIOs Pentiums +
> > > Laptop tends to = over heat problem.  I know a few companies make AMD
> > > laptops..... but I can't seem to find them.
> > >
> > > Anyone know if the lower resource drag from Linux.... might make the
> > > pentiums heat up less... or if anyone makes a laptop with a pentium in
> > > it besides Sony that keep really kewl... but also make them with linux
> > > (Dell makes linux based notebooks......  they get too hot?).   I've
been
> > > shopping at linuxmall.com and stuff and can't seem to find much.
> > >
>

On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 15:25:54 -0000, JJ wrote:
>there is a program called waterfall that should cool your system down. That
>is in windows...there oughtta be something similar for linux or it might be
>ported.

You dunnot need them, Linux has the feature built into the kernel. I hardly feel
that my notebook run hot when running Linux, but it does when running Win98 with
Rain (another program which does what watefall does, put the CPU to idle when
not in used). Surely in Linux you need to enable APM for this feature to work.


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                ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.

Hamid Misnan writes:
> You dunnot need them, Linux has the feature built into the kernel.

Yes.  It always has.

> Surely in Linux you need to enable APM for this feature to work.

No.  It uses the 'hlt' instruction, which has nothing to do with APM.
-- 
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:51:37 GMT, John Hasler wrote:
>Hamid Misnan writes:
>> You dunnot need them, Linux has the feature built into the kernel.
>
>Yes.  It always has.
>
>> Surely in Linux you need to enable APM for this feature to work.
>
>No.  It uses the 'hlt' instruction, which has nothing to do with APM.

I may be wrong, but I was based my finding from Configure.help inside
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/. Anyway, we got the message across, Linux doesn't
need Rain or Waterfall for it :)

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Hamid Misnan writes:
> I may be wrong, but I was based my finding from Configure.help inside
> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/.

From Configure.help, Power Management support:
  Note that, even if you say N here, Linux on the x86 architecture
  will issue the hlt instruction if nothing is to be done, thereby
  sending the processor to sleep and saving power.
-- 
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin

I have a sony PII 333 Viao with docking station.  If you run this out of the
docking you must use the flip out legs, the difference in operating temperature
is the difference between putting a fan on your cpu or not having a fan and
trying to get away with leaving the case off, it only works in super
air-conditioned rooms.  That is My laptop (as you may see from my setiathome
club, KC6SE) is running day and night doing extensive FFT calculations!  It gets
warm but it has not over heated.  I set the graphics to 256 colors 640 X xxx
since this seemed to draw out the time the it took to complete a seti data
unit.  I also use the machine for the photo shop and sony picture gate software
that came with it.  I should have gotten a higher speed cpu.  Note on the
difference between a mobile proc and desktop form sony's machines.  The mobile
proc is a special card still device with up too 64 megs soldered on board.  I
have since added (the max.) dimm 128 MB stick, it has helped.

As for laptops:
IBM make great machines, but their customer support is the thing to go for if
you have the money.  They pay the shipping to them, they pay it back and it is
like two to three working days for repair. (I know, the tech at C.S.U.@Fresno
had to return his when the docking connector got buggered up when it was begin
used in a car,  this was a problem with that model, the docking clamp was not a
strong connection.)

Next is the DELLs, their machines come with good graphics cards with video out,
now you can get them with DVD players, know what to do with that?
They have a wide range of machines, and i consider to be the best on the market,
they have good graphics cards, good network cards, good options in their docking
stations (standard PCI slots! add a monster 3d card!)  And many other options.
(So does NEC laptops, they can run Q3!  talk about powerful graphics)

Next is Sony.  I heard many good things and the one my friend had is still doing
duty for his family.  They were the lowest price that still offered DVD players
so I went with them (although now i would go with a dell).

All in all my laptop is limited by the CPU (no one can help you over come that,
accept the NEC my friend had, had a PII mobile, which he upgraded ! to a higher
proc speed)  But the most limiting is the graphics card, the less powerful it is
the more duty the cpu does for the graphics.  That is why my laptop takes 23 +
hours to do a setiathome unit on the highest resolutions, as opposed to 17 -1 8
hours on the lowest res/colors.

Have fun shopping and stick with athelons or PII  don't get sucked into using
cpus which are already over clocked.  Note on my seti page, my PII 400 Abit BX6
is as fast as my PIII 450 ABIT BE6, same memory, slightly more things running on
the PIII (The stupid CDR utility etc.) and two interlaced monster 3dfxs in the
PII.  They are equally loaded by most accounts and the PII does just fine when
it comes down to calculations.  (Note both machines are set to blank screen and
graphics spend, squeezing the system down to max. CPU calculation usage.)

Draco Ravenloft wrote:

> no.. you have that backward when referring to the Athlons. And P3s are buggy
> POSs.... I know people who have P3 500+s, they run worse, and slower than my
> roomate's P2 400.  And they crash all the bloody time.
>
> P3 sucks, and I have run my own tests on P2 vs AMD and found AMD to win out
> virtually everytime except under 1 screen saver and 2 programs that were
> specifically written for Intels.
>
> Sean wrote:
>
> > actully the P3 has a better artecture then the AMDs, the amds cache only
> > runs (at best) half of the actual CPUs clocking speed, the p2/3 runs full
> > speed. I have a dell celron that runs nice and cool.
> > Sean
> >
> > "Draco Ravenloft" <draco81@swbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:394E8848.3CC6E00E@swbell.net...
> > > I've been shopping around for Laptops that come with either Linux
> > > preinstalled or no OS at all....  So far I found a few resonable ones
> > > that have linux in them, but they run either a celery or a PII/III.
> > > PIIIs suck altogether, and with the exception of Sony VAIOs Pentiums +
> > > Laptop tends to = over heat problem.  I know a few companies make AMD
> > > laptops..... but I can't seem to find them.
> > >
> > > Anyone know if the lower resource drag from Linux.... might make the
> > > pentiums heat up less... or if anyone makes a laptop with a pentium in
> > > it besides Sony that keep really kewl... but also make them with linux
> > > (Dell makes linux based notebooks......  they get too hot?).   I've been
> > > shopping at linuxmall.com and stuff and can't seem to find much.
> > >