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Have you checked to make sure you motherboard will support a 128MB
stick? Maybe the 64Mb stick is all it will support...

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On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 05:08:17 +1000, "Barry Ward" <baz@powerup.com.au>
planet usenet earth spoke out cries of help with the following words:

>I recently put together an AOPEN AX3S based system where I bought all the
>parts from a dealer in Brisbane. I also bought from him  a stick of 128 Meg
>of Pc133 (Kingmax) memory.
>
>The memory stick would not work - so I bought a cheaper 64 meg stick from
>another dealer and this worked fine.
>
>Took the 128 meg stick back to the original dealer and got it replaced with
>2x64 meg sticks ---  BUT these will not work either.  No matter whether I
>use them singly or in any combination ---only the 64 meg stick from the
>second dealer will work.
>
>Now, am I missing something here -is it possible that 3 sticks from this
>dealer can be bad??
>
>Thanks
>
>Barry
>

Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote
in message news:3a52273d@grissom...

> I recently put together an AOPEN AX3S based system where
> I bought all the parts from a dealer in Brisbane. I also bought
> from him  a stick of 128 Meg of Pc133 (Kingmax) memory.

> The memory stick would not work - so I bought a cheaper
> 64 meg stick from another dealer and this worked fine.

> Took the 128 meg stick back to the original dealer and got it
> replaced with 2x64 meg sticks ---  BUT these will not work either.
> No matter whether I use them singly or in any combination
> ---only the 64 meg stick from the second dealer will work.

> Now, am I missing something here -is it possible
> that 3 sticks from this dealer can be bad??

More like not bad, just not doing PC133
properly if you are running them at 133MHz.

Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
in that motherboard which obviously isnt defective when
the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine.

Its not as desirable to have more than one dimm with PC133,
so you'd be better with a 128MB dimm that works than a pair
of 64MB dimms if you can find one that works in that motherboard.

Why is it not desirable to have more than one dimm of PC133?  I am running 2
(256mb) ????
"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a525eaf$1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote
> in message news:3a52273d@grissom...
>
> > I recently put together an AOPEN AX3S based system where
> > I bought all the parts from a dealer in Brisbane. I also bought
> > from him  a stick of 128 Meg of Pc133 (Kingmax) memory.
>
> > The memory stick would not work - so I bought a cheaper
> > 64 meg stick from another dealer and this worked fine.
>
> > Took the 128 meg stick back to the original dealer and got it
> > replaced with 2x64 meg sticks ---  BUT these will not work either.
> > No matter whether I use them singly or in any combination
> > ---only the 64 meg stick from the second dealer will work.
>
> > Now, am I missing something here -is it possible
> > that 3 sticks from this dealer can be bad??
>
> More like not bad, just not doing PC133
> properly if you are running them at 133MHz.
>
> Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
> He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
> in that motherboard which obviously isnt defective when
> the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine.
>
> Its not as desirable to have more than one dimm with PC133,
> so you'd be better with a 128MB dimm that works than a pair
> of 64MB dimms if you can find one that works in that motherboard.
>
>

John <faclach@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:Nvt46.36195$1t.1905477@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...

> Why is it not desirable to have more than one dimm of PC133?

Basically with unbuffered dimms, the load is effectively
the number of ram chips per data line. As the number
increases, due to the number of dimms, you start to
have a problem with being able to run it at 133Mhz.

I didnt mean to imply that 2 isnt viable, just that its better to have
a single 128MB dimm in that system than 2*64MB dimms, just because
that gives more future, being able to add another 128MB dimm later etc.

> I am running 2 (256mb) ????

Thats fine. Some systems cant run 3 PC133 dimms at 133MHz reliably tho.


> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote

> > > I recently put together an AOPEN AX3S based system where
> > > I bought all the parts from a dealer in Brisbane. I also bought
> > > from him  a stick of 128 Meg of Pc133 (Kingmax) memory.
> >
> > > The memory stick would not work - so I bought a cheaper
> > > 64 meg stick from another dealer and this worked fine.
> >
> > > Took the 128 meg stick back to the original dealer and got it
> > > replaced with 2x64 meg sticks ---  BUT these will not work either.
> > > No matter whether I use them singly or in any combination
> > > ---only the 64 meg stick from the second dealer will work.
> >
> > > Now, am I missing something here -is it possible
> > > that 3 sticks from this dealer can be bad??
> >
> > More like not bad, just not doing PC133
> > properly if you are running them at 133MHz.
> >
> > Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
> > He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
> > in that motherboard which obviously isnt defective when
> > the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine.
> >
> > Its not as desirable to have more than one dimm with PC133,
> > so you'd be better with a 128MB dimm that works than a pair
> > of 64MB dimms if you can find one that works in that motherboard.
> >
> >
>
>

Howdy!

John <faclach@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:Nvt46.36195$1t.1905477@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...
> Why is it not desirable to have more than one dimm of PC133?  I am running
2
> (256mb) ????

        Because the extra DIMMs will capacitively load the driver logic,
making "it's squirrely" more likely than with one.

        See, each input to a DRAM chip (be it fast page, EDO, Synchronous,
or whatever) is a capacitor.  Now, when you put capacitors in parallel, they
increase the effective value.  One thing that having capacitance on a
digital line is, is that it causes that nice sharp twitch of the 0-to-1 or
1-to-0 transistion to be softer.

        Think "tube amp sound" for an example of a softening signal.

        Now, if that signal gets TOO far out of spec, you end up with a
delayed transistion, which might cause you to need to go to CAS3 on CAS2
memory, or even cause "glitching" when the SDRAM triggers on noise but not
the proper signal.

        RwP

> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3a525eaf$1@news.iprimus.com.au...

> >
> > Its not as desirable to have more than one dimm with PC133,
> > so you'd be better with a 128MB dimm that works than a pair
> > of 64MB dimms if you can find one that works in that motherboard.

Your statements are essentially correct however it is not the number of
DIMMs that is the real limit, it is the number of banks.  There is no
advantage (other than keeping DIMM sockets empty) in using 1x128Mb double
sided DIMM (which has two banks) as 2x 64Mb single sided DIMMs (which have
one bank each), they both consume 2 banks.

An example is the Intel D815EEA motherboard.  It can only support 4 banks at
133MHz (board has 3 DIMM sockets), so you can use up to 384Mb (board max) at
full 133MHz only if you use single 3x128Mb sided DIMMs, use double sided
128Mb DIMMs and you can only have up to 256Mb at 133MHz, any more an the RAM
speed drops to 100MHz.

Also, you have not thought of the option that the board is faulty at 133MHz
but functioning properly at lower speed (the board is not clearly working
properly) and the cheap RAM is actually 100MHz therefore the cheap RAM
appears to work (while it is actually nor working as advertised) and the
expensive RAM is functioning correctly and the motherboard is failing at
133MHz.  As unlikely as this may be it is real possibility. We do not have
enough info to say for certain that the Kingmax RAM is faulty.

Regards

--
     Guy Barwood BE (Hon) BSC MCP
       Dilithium Computing P/L
     http://www.dilithium.com.au
      dilithium@dilithium.com.au
 Ph +61-3-9749-5366 | Fax +61-3-9749-5066
               ICQ 1548474
"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a52762f@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> John <faclach@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> news:Nvt46.36195$1t.1905477@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...
>
> > Why is it not desirable to have more than one dimm of PC133?
>
> Basically with unbuffered dimms, the load is effectively
> the number of ram chips per data line. As the number
> increases, due to the number of dimms, you start to
> have a problem with being able to run it at 133Mhz.
>
> I didnt mean to imply that 2 isnt viable, just that its better to have
> a single 128MB dimm in that system than 2*64MB dimms, just because
> that gives more future, being able to add another 128MB dimm later etc.
>
> > I am running 2 (256mb) ????
>
> Thats fine. Some systems cant run 3 PC133 dimms at 133MHz reliably tho.
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote
>
> > > > I recently put together an AOPEN AX3S based system where
> > > > I bought all the parts from a dealer in Brisbane. I also bought
> > > > from him  a stick of 128 Meg of Pc133 (Kingmax) memory.
> > >
> > > > The memory stick would not work - so I bought a cheaper
> > > > 64 meg stick from another dealer and this worked fine.
> > >
> > > > Took the 128 meg stick back to the original dealer and got it
> > > > replaced with 2x64 meg sticks ---  BUT these will not work either.
> > > > No matter whether I use them singly or in any combination
> > > > ---only the 64 meg stick from the second dealer will work.
> > >
> > > > Now, am I missing something here -is it possible
> > > > that 3 sticks from this dealer can be bad??
> > >
> > > More like not bad, just not doing PC133
> > > properly if you are running them at 133MHz.
> > >
> > > Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
> > > He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
> > > in that motherboard which obviously isnt defective when
> > > the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine.
> > >
> > > Its not as desirable to have more than one dimm with PC133,
> > > so you'd be better with a 128MB dimm that works than a pair
> > > of 64MB dimms if you can find one that works in that motherboard.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:Z3F46.4916$l02.10938@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> Your statements are essentially correct however it is not the
> number of DIMMs that is the real limit, it is the number of banks.

Its more complicated than that. As far as being able to run the
ram at the best specs, its actually the number of ram chips per
data line that also affects what timing params can be used.

I just said that its not as desirable to use the pair of 64MB dimms
instead of a 128MB dimm, because the single dimm gives more future.

> There is no advantage (other than keeping DIMM sockets
> empty) in using 1x128Mb double sided DIMM (which has
> two banks) as 2x 64Mb single sided DIMMs (which have
> one bank each), they both consume 2 banks.

Its more complicated than that too. Not all
chipsets have a limit on the number of banks.

> An example is the Intel D815EEA motherboard.  It can only support
> 4 banks at 133MHz (board has 3 DIMM sockets), so you can use up
> to 384Mb (board max) at full 133MHz only if you use single 3x128Mb
> sided DIMMs, use double sided 128Mb DIMMs and you can only have
> up to 256Mb at 133MHz, any more an the RAM speed drops to 100MHz.

And that last is just more detail on what I was talking about.

> Also, you have not thought of the option that the board
> is faulty at 133MHz but functioning properly at lower
> speed (the board is not clearly working properly)

You dont know what I thought.

Its less than clear just what he means by his finger trouble.

> and the cheap RAM is actually 100MHz therefore the cheap RAM
> appears to work (while it is actually nor working as advertised) and
> the expensive RAM is functioning correctly and the motherboard is
> failing at 133MHz.  As unlikely as this may be it is real possibility.

And in practice it turns out to not be the problem. Yes, there were
obviously some more obscure possibilitys, I dont always choose to
attempt to list every single obscure possibility. My choice.

> We do not have enough info to say for certain that the Kingmax RAM is faulty.

Duh.


> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> John <faclach@mediaone.net> wrote

>>> Why is it not desirable to have more than one dimm of PC133?

> > Basically with unbuffered dimms, the load is effectively
> > the number of ram chips per data line. As the number
> > increases, due to the number of dimms, you start to
> > have a problem with being able to run it at 133Mhz.
> >
> > I didnt mean to imply that 2 isnt viable, just that its better to have
> > a single 128MB dimm in that system than 2*64MB dimms, just because
> > that gives more future, being able to add another 128MB dimm later etc.
> >
> > > I am running 2 (256mb) ????
> >
> > Thats fine. Some systems cant run 3 PC133 dimms at 133MHz reliably tho.
> >
> >
> > > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> > >> Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote
> >
> > > > > I recently put together an AOPEN AX3S based system where
> > > > > I bought all the parts from a dealer in Brisbane. I also bought
> > > > > from him  a stick of 128 Meg of Pc133 (Kingmax) memory.
> > > >
> > > > > The memory stick would not work - so I bought a cheaper
> > > > > 64 meg stick from another dealer and this worked fine.
> > > >
> > > > > Took the 128 meg stick back to the original dealer and got it
> > > > > replaced with 2x64 meg sticks ---  BUT these will not work either.
> > > > > No matter whether I use them singly or in any combination
> > > > > ---only the 64 meg stick from the second dealer will work.
> > > >
> > > > > Now, am I missing something here -is it possible
> > > > > that 3 sticks from this dealer can be bad??
> > > >
> > > > More like not bad, just not doing PC133
> > > > properly if you are running them at 133MHz.
> > > >
> > > > Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
> > > > He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
> > > > in that motherboard which obviously isnt defective when
> > > > the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine.
> > > >
> > > > Its not as desirable to have more than one dimm with PC133,
> > > > so you'd be better with a 128MB dimm that works than a pair
> > > > of 64MB dimms if you can find one that works in that motherboard.

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a538d0e@news.iprimus.com.au...
..> You dont know what I thought.

You don't know what I know

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a538d0e@news.iprimus.com.au...
...> > We do not have enough info to say for certain that the Kingmax RAM is
faulty.
>
> Duh.
...

So how can he then (in your words)

    "Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
    He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
    in that motherboard which obviously isn't defective when
    the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine."

You have just indicated that quite obviously (read "Duh") the RAM is not
necessarily faulty.

Later

PS It is as simple as I said in respect to the banks/sides, as number of
devices determines the number of banks (max 9 devices per bank).

Aside:
Quote from Intel (note I was wrong on board max which is actually 512Mb):
System Memory
The D815EEA desktop board supports up to 512 MB of dynamic memory. The three
168-pin Dual Inline Memory Module (DIMM) sockets support 3.3V unbuffered 100
MHz, or 133 MHz, Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory (SDRAM) DIMMs. If
PC133 memory is going to be run at the full 133 MHz, only four of the six
DIMM sides can be used (two double-sided DIMMs, or one double-sided DIMM
plus two single-sided DIMMs).
http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/ea/ea_mem.htm for more info

Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:uuU46.4939$l02.11019@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote

>>> Also, you have not thought of the option that

>> You dont know what I thought.

> You don't know what I know

Wasnt silly enough to try claiming I did. You on the other hand...

Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:4MU46.4940$l02.11018@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote

>>> We do not have enough info to say for certain that the Kingmax RAM is faulty.

>> Duh.

> So how can he then (in your words)

>     "Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
>     He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
>     in that motherboard which obviously isn't defective when
>     the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine."

> You have just indicated that quite obviously
> (read "Duh") the RAM is not necessarily faulty.

It isnt yet clear just whats going on on that stuff.

> Later

> PS It is as simple as I said in respect to the banks/sides,

Wrong.

> as number of devices determines the number of banks (max 9 devices per bank).

Wrong again. And there are plenty of chipsets that dont have a limit of 4 banks too.

> Aside:
> Quote from Intel (note I was wrong on board max which is actually 512Mb):
> System Memory
> The D815EEA desktop board supports up to 512 MB of dynamic memory. The three
> 168-pin Dual Inline Memory Module (DIMM) sockets support 3.3V unbuffered 100
> MHz, or 133 MHz, Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory (SDRAM) DIMMs. If
> PC133 memory is going to be run at the full 133 MHz, only four of the six
> DIMM sides can be used (two double-sided DIMMs, or one double-sided DIMM
> plus two single-sided DIMMs).
> http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/ea/ea_mem.htm for more info

All completely and utterly irrelevant, it aint his motherboard.

See previous post.

--
     Guy

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
> message news:uuU46.4939$l02.11019@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote
>
> >>> Also, you have not thought of the option that
>
> >> You dont know what I thought.
>
> > You don't know what I know
>
> Wasnt silly enough to try claiming I did. You on the other hand...
>
>

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a544a8d@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
> message news:4MU46.4940$l02.11018@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote
>
> >>> We do not have enough info to say for certain that the Kingmax RAM is
faulty.
>
> >> Duh.
>
> > So how can he then (in your words)
>
> >     "Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
> >     He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
> >     in that motherboard which obviously isn't defective when
> >     the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine."
>
> > You have just indicated that quite obviously
> > (read "Duh") the RAM is not necessarily faulty.
>
> It isnt yet clear just whats going on on that stuff.
>
> > Later
>
> > PS It is as simple as I said in respect to the banks/sides,
>
> Wrong.

Wrong

>
> > as number of devices determines the number of banks (max 9 devices per
bank).
>
> Wrong again. And there are plenty of chipsets that dont have a limit of 4
banks too.

Wrong again, and as you said below we are talking about a particular
motherboard with a particular chipset which does have this limitation, other
chipsets are irrelevent.

>
> > Aside:
> > Quote from Intel (note I was wrong on board max which is actually
512Mb):
> > System Memory
> > The D815EEA desktop board supports up to 512 MB of dynamic memory. The
three
> > 168-pin Dual Inline Memory Module (DIMM) sockets support 3.3V unbuffered
100
> > MHz, or 133 MHz, Synchronous Dynamic Random Access Memory (SDRAM) DIMMs.
If
> > PC133 memory is going to be run at the full 133 MHz, only four of the
six
> > DIMM sides can be used (two double-sided DIMMs, or one double-sided DIMM
> > plus two single-sided DIMMs).
> > http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/ea/ea_mem.htm for more info
>
> All completely and utterly irrelevant, it aint his motherboard.

Duh, thats why it was noted as an aside, your not the only person who might
read the post and someone else might find the information helpful or
informative, if you do or not.  It is actually very relevant as it is his
chipset.  Cheaper clone taiwanese manufacturers such as AOpen, Abit, Asus
etc don't provide you with the level of support information as companies
like Intel, if there was info on the Aopen board published I would have
provided it as well.  I welcome you to try to find it.

Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:6cZ46.4951$l02.11061@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> See previous post.

Useless.

> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote

>>>>> Also, you have not thought of the option that

>>>> You dont know what I thought.

>>> You don't know what I know

>> Wasnt silly enough to try claiming I did. You on the other hand...

Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:dfZ46.4952$l02.11063@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote

>>>>> We do not have enough info to say for
>>>>> certain that the Kingmax RAM is faulty.

>>>> Duh.

>>> So how can he then (in your words)

>>>     "Just force the original dealer to give your money back.
>>>     He legally has to do that when they clearly wont work
>>>     in that motherboard which obviously isn't defective when
>>>     the 64MB dimm from the other supplier works fine."

>>> You have just indicated that quite obviously
>>> (read "Duh") the RAM is not necessarily faulty.

>> It isnt yet clear just whats going on on that stuff.

>>> Later

>>> PS It is as simple as I said in respect to the banks/sides,

>> Wrong.

> Wrong

Wrong.

>>> as number of devices determines the
>>> number of banks (max 9 devices per bank).

>> Wrong again. And there are plenty of chipsets
>> that dont have a limit of 4 banks too.

> Wrong again,

Wrong again.

> and as you said below we are talking about a particular motherboard with a
> particular chipset which does have this limitation, other chipsets are irrelevent.

Wota pity your original claim that you mangled so comprehensively
was a general one, not specific to one chipset.

>>> Aside:
>>> Quote from Intel (note I was wrong on board max which is actually 512Mb):
>>> System Memory
>>> The D815EEA desktop board supports up to 512 MB of dynamic memory.

>>> The three 168-pin Dual Inline Memory Module (DIMM) sockets
>>> support 3.3V unbuffered 100 MHz, or 133 MHz, Synchronous
>>> Dynamic Random Access Memory (SDRAM) DIMMs.

>>> If PC133 memory is going to be run at the full 133 MHz,
>>> only four of the six DIMM sides can be used (two double-sided
>>> DIMMs, or one double-sided DIMM plus two single-sided DIMMs).
>>> http://developer.intel.com/design/motherbd/ea/ea_mem.htm for more info

>> All completely and utterly irrelevant, it aint his motherboard.

> Duh, thats why it was noted as an aside, your not the only
> person who might read the post and someone else might
> find the information helpful or informative, if you do or not.

Squirm, squirm, squirm, squirm, fooling absolutely no one at all, just
like your previous complete and utter bullshit on a warranty claim
with a hard drive when the retailer had gone bust never did either.

> It is actually very relevant as it is his chipset.

Soorree, the specifics that quote comments on aint chipset specific.

> Cheaper clone taiwanese manufacturers such as AOpen,
> Abit, Asus etc don't provide you with the level of support
> information as companies like Intel, if there was info on the
> Aopen board published I would have provided it as well.

Pity those specifics quoted dont apply to all motherboards
using that chipset. Keep desperately digging.

> I welcome you to try to find it.

Wota wanka.

Typical of your attitude.  When you are clearly proven wrong you just resort
to personal insults, your not fooling anyone except yourself.

--
     Guy

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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...
>
> > I welcome you to try to find it.
>
> Wota wanka.

Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:pDb56.4994$l02.11103@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...

> Typical of your attitude.

Typical of your pathetic excuse for bullshit. When clearly proven wrong,
in spades with your pathetic excuse for bullshit on what legal rights
someone has if the seller of their hard drive goes bust, you try this
sort of pathetic excuse for bullshit and fool absolutely no one at all.

> When you are clearly proven wrong

More of your childish lying. You tried the same
childish lying with that hard drive fiasco Barwood.

> you just resort to personal insults,

Statement of fact Barwood.

You're fooling absolutely no one at all, as always.

Cant even manage to grasp the difference
between banks and the physical chips either.

Or that that crap you waved around has no relevance because it was
a comment on running at 133MHz and clearly that Celeron doesnt.

Keep desperately attempting to bullshit your
way out of your predicament. As always.

Wow Barry aren't you glad you started ALL that? <g>
Barry Ward <baz@powerup.com.au> wrote in message news:3a52273d@grissom...
> I recently put together an AOPEN AX3S based system where I bought all the
> parts from a dealer in Brisbane. I also bought from him  a stick of 128
Meg
> of Pc133 (Kingmax) memory.
>
> The memory stick would not work - so I bought a cheaper 64 meg stick from
> another dealer and this worked fine.
>
> Took the 128 meg stick back to the original dealer and got it replaced
with
> 2x64 meg sticks ---  BUT these will not work either.  No matter whether I
> use them singly or in any combination ---only the 64 meg stick from the
> second dealer will work.
>
> Now, am I missing something here -is it possible that 3 sticks from this
> dealer can be bad??
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
>

on ya speedy, great response, lol

--
     Guy

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a55516b@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
> message news:pDb56.4994$l02.11103@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
>
> > Typical of your attitude.
>
> Typical of your pathetic excuse for bullshit. When clearly proven wrong,
> in spades with your pathetic excuse for bullshit on what legal rights
> someone has if the seller of their hard drive goes bust, you try this
> sort of pathetic excuse for bullshit and fool absolutely no one at all.
>
> > When you are clearly proven wrong
>
> More of your childish lying. You tried the same
> childish lying with that hard drive fiasco Barwood.
>
> > you just resort to personal insults,
>
> Statement of fact Barwood.
>
> You're fooling absolutely no one at all, as always.
>
> Cant even manage to grasp the difference
> between banks and the physical chips either.
>
> Or that that crap you waved around has no relevance because it was
> a comment on running at 133MHz and clearly that Celeron doesnt.
>
> Keep desperately attempting to bullshit your
> way out of your predicament. As always.
>
>

Yeah, woohoo, *clap* *clap* *clap*

thats the best fight since the Tyson-Golota match in Detroit!


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Some silly little posturing child claiming to be
Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:o6i56.5007$l02.11157@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
just the usual pathetic excuse for bullshit that it always
resorts to when its gone down in flames yet again.

Cant even manage the simplest detail like the legal rights everyone
has when the retailer they got their hard drive from goes bust.

No wonder 'Dilithium Computing' is such a complete dud.

Truly impressive contributions "z"
PS: Last comment does not mean victory/correctness or any other sense of
achievement as you obviously presume, just shows how pathetic you can be.
ditto on the legal crap you sprout.

End of thread on my part, continue to crap on as much as you like, it only
serves to entertain others.  If others really want, I can keep the
amusements going for a while yet.

Guy

"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3a5633ad@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> Some silly little posturing child claiming to be
> Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
> message news:o6i56.5007$l02.11157@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
> just the usual pathetic excuse for bullshit that it always
> resorts to when its gone down in flames yet again.
>
> Cant even manage the simplest detail like the legal rights everyone
> has when the retailer they got their hard drive from goes bust.
>
> No wonder 'Dilithium Computing' is such a complete dud.
>
>

Some silly little posturing child claiming to be
Guy Barwood - Dilithium Computing <dilithium@dilithium.com.au> wrote in
message news:eeA56.5043$l02.11246@news1.sunsh1.vic.optushome.com.au...
just the usual pathetic excuse for bullshit that it always
resorts to when its gone down in flames yet again.

Cant even manage the simplest detail like the legal rights everyone
has when the retailer they got their hard drive from goes bust.

No wonder 'Dilithium Computing' is such a complete dud.