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On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:40:46 +0200, "Ewa" <ezk@medianet.com.pl> wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>My colleague has the PC with:
>ATC-6120 mainboard
>Intel 440LX chipset
>Pentium II MMX  233MHz processor
>2* 32 MB memory
>
>We plan to replace the memory
>with 2*64 MB or 3*128MB.
>(There are only these two possibilities
>according to the mainboard description)

You should be able to mix and match sizes, any size up to 128MB per
slot.


>
>Has anybody any experience
>in changing the processor with
>one bigger than Pentium II 333MHz?

The best CPU upgrade it will support is a Celeron PPGA
(non-coppermine) 533MHz, with a slotket adapter.  You might need a
newer BIOS revison to support the Celeron, available here:
http://www.abios.com/atend-bios.html

It might be more cost-effective to replace the whole motherbaord too,
with something supporting a 1GHz Celeron.  These socket 370
motherboards can be found relatively cheap these days, and unlike a
new Athlon or P4 processor and motherboard, you likely wouldn't need a
new power supply.

>
>We'd be very grateful for any advice.
>
>Regards
>Ewa


Dave
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Why not donate the PC to a charity, or give it
to a young child, and build a fast, inexpensive
PC with an Athlon XP, a KT333 motherboard,
and some PC2700 ddr ram?

Ewa wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My colleague has the PC with:
> ATC-6120 mainboard
> Intel 440LX chipset
> Pentium II MMX  233MHz processor
> 2* 32 MB memory
>
> We plan to replace the memory
> with 2*64 MB or 3*128MB.
> (There are only these two possibilities
> according to the mainboard description)
>
> Has anybody any experience
> in changing the processor with
> one bigger than Pentium II 333MHz?
>
> We'd be very grateful for any advice.
>
> Regards
> Ewa
>
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The 350 and larger PIIs will not work in an 440LX board due to the slow
(66mhz) clock speed. If you can find a new bios that supports Celerons, a
366 or 400 slot one will work.

Lane

"Ewa" <ezk@medianet.com.pl> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> My colleague has the PC with:
> ATC-6120 mainboard
> Intel 440LX chipset
> Pentium II MMX  233MHz processor
> 2* 32 MB memory
>
> We plan to replace the memory
> with 2*64 MB or 3*128MB.
> (There are only these two possibilities
> according to the mainboard description)
>
> Has anybody any experience
> in changing the processor with
> one bigger than Pentium II 333MHz?
>
> We'd be very grateful for any advice.
>
> Regards
> Ewa
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 02-07-01
>
>

Why not stick to what the original poster asked?

Jeffrey Karp wrote:

> Why not donate the PC to a charity, or give it
> to a young child, and build a fast, inexpensive
> PC with an Athlon XP, a KT333 motherboard,
> and some PC2700 ddr ram?
> 
> Ewa wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My colleague has the PC with:
> > ATC-6120 mainboard
> > Intel 440LX chipset
> > Pentium II MMX  233MHz processor
> > 2* 32 MB memory
> >
> > We plan to replace the memory
> > with 2*64 MB or 3*128MB.
> > (There are only these two possibilities
> > according to the mainboard description)
> >
> > Has anybody any experience
> > in changing the processor with
> > one bigger than Pentium II 333MHz?


-- 
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
[Remove bodies from address for email.]

I installed a Celeron 500 into a 440LX SOYO SY-6KL motherboard that
sounds a lot like your colleague's ATC-6210.  The 6KL was slow
compared to an Intel 810 motherboard with the same processor at the
same clock speed and amount of system memory.

I think 440LX system performance is seriously impaired by obsolete
technologies built into the 440LX chipset.  Memory bandwidth suffers
due to the 66MHz bus clock.  The 440LX hard drive controller is ATA33.
 The AGP port is AGP 1.0.  The USB connection is USB 1.0 ( 1MB/s).

The best thing to say about most 440LXs is that they are here and
already paid for.

So, let's talk about meaningful improvements now that we know why it
is not a good idea to spend a lot of money upgrading a 440LX.

a)  The best (not overclocked) processor for a 440LX system will be a
PPGA Celeron 533 in a slotket adapter.  And, Celeron 300A's and 333s
are better than Pentium II 333s.

Celeron L-2 cache is part of the processor.  Pentium IIs use external
memory chips that run at half the processor's core speed.  So, a
Celeron's 128KB cache is usually more effective than a Pentium IIs
512KB cache because it is better synchronized to the processor.

I think all Celerons (except engineering samples) are clock multiplier
locked.  So, don't worry about motherboard clock multiplier settings. 
Everything will be fine if the motherboard's bios has been updated to
support Celeron processors.

Overclocking with a 75 MHz clock setting should be safe.  Late
production (from about when Celeron 433s were introduced) PPGA Celeron
cores will usually overclock to about 585 MHz.  Early cores usually
max out around 450 MHz.  So, Celeron 533s (8x multiplier) won't
overclock at 75 MHz, 8 x 75 = 600. But most Celeron 500s will probably
operate as Celeron 563s.

Your colleague may have an 83 MHz clock option but using it will put
the PCI bus so far out of specification as to endanger the hard drive
and other components.

The 440LX PCI clock is half of the system clock.  66/2 = 33, the
standard PCI clock.  75/2 = 37.5, a little more than 10% faster than
the design specification and usually no problem.  83/2 = 41.5, or
almost 25% faster than the PCI bus is supposed to be clocked at and
many hardware failures were reportedly caused by operating at out of
spec clock rates.

Oh!  And the 440LX AGP clock is the system clock.  So, some video
cards generate corrupted graphics when the system is overclocked.

b)  Use good memory.  Try to find memory that can operate at 222
timings.  333 memory timings are worse at low clock speeds because the
time interval between clocks is longer.  The 128MB DIMMs are probably
the better idea.  Minimizing the amount of virtual memory should help
a lot.  256 MBs of system memory should be enough for a Windows 9x
system.

c) I hope your colleage has an open PCI slot.  Updating to an ATA66,
or higher, hard drive controller will really improve system
performance (if you have ATA66, or higher hard drives).  I recently
figured out that people think SCSI is faster than IDE because Intel
motherboard chipset built-in hard drive controllers were slow ATA33
until the 810 chipset boards introduced ATA66.

d)  I think your colleague should ignore most USB hardware.  The
440LX's built-in USB 1.0 offers 1 MB/sec bandwidth.  A USB 1.1 PCI
card would provide 11 MB/sec bandwidth.  A USB 2.0 PCI card would
offer more than 450 MB/sec.

I bought a USB 2.0 card because my USB 1.1 webcam seemed slow on my
motherboard's USB 1.0 port.  The webcam works much better now that it
has the bandwidth it needs. (A 1.1 adapter would have worked as well,
but the price was right.)

e)  There is no cure for the AGP 1.0 limitation.  But poor performance
is not the biggest thing to worry about.  New AGP cards have reduced
voltage requirements and increased current requirements.  So, putting
the wrong video card on your colleague's motherboard could be deadly
to the video card.

I recommend upgrading to a PCI video card.   Even the original nVidia
Riva TnT video cards had problems on some 440LX boards.  (serious
people installed jumpers to get enough voltage from the power
connector to the AGP ports)  Or, stay obsolete.  I like my
Accelgraphics Permedia2 cards as long as I don't try to play modern 3D
video games.

Good Luck

On 7 Jul 2002 17:48:26 -0700, BadSweetums@my-deja.com (BadSweetums)
wrote:

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It might be advisable to just ugrade the motherboard instead of
criticizing and suggesting replacement of half of the hardware, if the
poster really is concerned with all the points you made.


Dave
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> Why not donate the PC to a charity, or give it
> to a young child, and build a fast, inexpensive
> PC with an Athlon XP, a KT333 motherboard,
> and some PC2700 ddr ram?

Why don't you send Ewa a check to build the Athlon?

--
LiveWire

Witam!

Wszyscy odpowiedzieli po angielsku, chyba nie zauwazyli tej wersji po
polsku:) hehe.

Zdecydowanie doradzam kupic nowy komputer. Zmiana z Pentium MMX (chyba ta
"dwojka" tutaj to pomylka) 233 MHz na Pentium II 333 MHz nie da zbyt duzego
wzrostu wydajnosci, nie mowiac juz o tym, ze trudno taki procesor juz
dostac. Poza tym plyta glowna sie starzeje i predzej, czy pozniej sie
zepsuje. Szkoda fatygi.

Ale tak na prawde to zalezy od zastosowania komputera. Do czego sluzy?

Pozdrawiam,
Luke

U�ytkownik "Luke" napisal:
>
> Wszyscy odpowiedzieli po angielsku, chyba nie
> zauwazyli tej wersji po polsku:) hehe.

Zauwazyli tylko chcieli sie pochwalic jacy to swiatowcy ;))


Mam nadzieje, ze nikt nie wezmie tego do siebie bo to tylko taki moj
specificzny humor :)



pozdrawiam
Greg

> Zauwazyli tylko chcieli sie pochwalic jacy to swiatowcy ;))

Tak na prawde to o dziwo tak samo to odebralem;)

Luke