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On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:57:38 GMT, "TGTBT Media Web Design & Hosting
Services" <sales@tgtbt-online.com> wrote in
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>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in
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>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:30:34 GMT, "TGTBT Media Web Design & Hosting
>> Services" <sales@tgtbt-online.com> wrote in
>> <Xns986D5815B7C4TGTBT@62.253.170.163>:
>> 
>>>John Navas <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in
>>>news:d83dk2l3j0bpfqonf1gp5m3da1bi5dqkb9@4ax.com: 
>
>> What I'm actually saying is that MAC addresses are sent in the clear
>> (You know that, right?), so there's no practical way to "HIDE" them.
>> (Can you prove me wrong?)  The best you can do is MAC spoof detection,
>> but that's impractical for typical home users.
>
>Why is it impractical ?  
>
>ONLY ANSWER:  They are not informed of how it works and never get a
>chance to understand it, it's why forums are a place to ask questions,
>they expect good results, and if they want good results, they have to be
>taught to understand it.   

REAL ANSWER: Because it's way too hard for them to do.  They shouldn't
have to learn much of anything, any more than they should have to learn
much of anything to (say) drive a car -- the anti-lock brakes and
airbags just work, without having to be taught.

>Do you see my concept ? of making computer users more informed?

Nope.  I think that's wildly unrealistic.

>>>As you have failed to contruct a CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, just managed
>>>to criticise. Which I find rather derogatory. 
>> 
>> I wrote:  "For most users I would suggest WPA-PSK."  You missed that?
>
>No I read it, but as you stated 'I can break into them' so how is it
>secure if it doesnt work for security! lol 

I said nothing of the kind.  WPA-PSK (with a strong passphrase) is quite
secure.

>My general security concept is: 'Prevention a.k.a isolation is the best
>way' 

My general security concept (for typical users) is: 'Make it easy and
practical enough that they will actually do it' 

>We are talking about making it as secure as possible.

I'm talking about making it workable.

>The reason why home networking is generally so bad, is because people
>just dont know or understand how to do things, thats why I was
>introducing rather cheap industrial ways of implementing network
>security. 

Those ways are neither cheap nor practical for typical home users.

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