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On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:24:04 -0700, in <hvinei$4k0$4@speranza.aioe.org>,
JC Dill <jcdill.lists@gmail.com> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 01:44:26 GMT, in
>> <hvh7dqg3aa002malch@news.sonic.net>, malch@malch.com (Malcolm Hoar)
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <ec4o165c3s0ac1n3u4ifmv5unffkholfuf@4ax.com>, John Navas <jncl1@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "However, we can already state that [...] Google did indeed record
>>>> e-mail access passwords [and] extracts of the content of email
>>>> messages."
>>> That's not good but if folks are using cleartext passwords
>>> over a wireless connection, they really shouldn't have a
>>> "reasonable expectation of privacy".
>> 
>> I respectfully disagree -- the problem is the fundamentally flawed POP3
>> protocol that many (most?) ISPs still use -- it shouldn't take a
>> computer science degree to use basic Internet services.  Shame on us.
>
>Most ISPs offer protected protocols.  

Some do, some do not, and there's no excuse for those that still market
and provide unsafe and insecure service.

>I use protected protocols with all 
>my email accounts on 3 different ISPs.

You're not typical.

>Most end users don't bother to learn how to setup their software to use 
>the protected protocols.  This is not the ISPs fault.

It absolutely is the fault of the ISP to market and provide an unsafe
and insecure mail protocol to non-experts, just as it would be the fault
of a car manufacturer to make a car without enough bolts to hold on the
wheels.  

Average users are not required to become computer experts just to use
standard Internet services safely.

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