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On 19/06/2010 18:50, John Navas wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:16:33 +0100, in
> <O-SdnSyjvrf9cIHRnZ2dnUVZ8q-dnZ2d@bt.com>, Bob<bob@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/06/2010 16:40, John Navas wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:22:43 -0700, in<hvinc0$4k0$3@speranza.aioe.org>,
>>> JC Dill<jcdill.lists@gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Malcolm Hoar wrote:
>>>>> In article<ec4o165c3s0ac1n3u4ifmv5unffkholfuf@4ax.com>, John Navas<jncl1@navasgroup.com>   wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "However, we can already state that [...] Google did indeed record
>>>>>> e-mail access passwords [and] extracts of the content of email
>>>>>> messages."
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not good but if folks are using cleartext passwords
>>>>> over a wireless connection, they really shouldn't have a
>>>>> "reasonable expectation of privacy".
>>>>
>>>> Not just using cleartext passwords over wifi, using cleartext passwords
>>>> over UNPROTECTED wifi.  (If they had any protection on their wifi, then
>>>> Google wouldn't have connected or recorded anything.)  In that case they
>>>> absolutely have no expectation of privacy.  It's like shouting your
>>>> password to your friend across the street.
>>>
>>> The problem is hardware manufacturers that marketed insecure wireless
>>> devices, not the unsuspecting victims that bought them -- users are not
>>> required to become computer security experts just to use Internet
>>> services safely.  The industry has at last faced up to its
>>> responsibilities, and is now doing much more to ensure that wireless
>>> networks are secure by default: Wi-Fi Protected Setup.
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Setup>
>>>
>> The NFC option has been suspended due to lack of test bed support.
>
> That's only one of four methods -- there are three other methods.  Every
> Wi-Fi Protected Setup certified product must support the PIN method.
>
PBC is also mandatory and as far as I am concerned a pain in the neck. I 
have found a number of people, including myself, who have had difficulty 
getting this to work with some routers and have had to eventually input 
the encryption manually.
   If manufacturers are not prepared to support present test beds to 
make things easier for users then wonders what the future will bring.