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Phred wrote:
> G'day mates,
>
> For some time I've been considering bunging some more memory into my
> 128MB Dell Dimension 4100 (1.1GHz version), but every time I look it's
> about twice the price of "normal" 168-pin PC133 non-ECC CAS 3 SDRAM..
>
> On top of that, the Australian prices are arithmetically two
> (Kingston) or three (Crucial) times the US prices for Dell SDRAM
> whereas on current USD<>AUD they should be more like 35% higher
> numerically. [US Kingston is more expensive than Crucial, hence that
> "two or three".]
>
> Finally, there's the issue of double/single sided SDRAM which confuses
> the possibility of using something generic rather than the "special"
> (is it so special?) Dell stuff from Kingston/Crucial etc., because I
> really don't know whether Dell uses "single" or "double" and none of
> the spec sheets I've found mention this distinction -- and I'm led to
> believe it's not obvious to see by simple inspection, in spite of what
> those names imply!
>
> All of which rather puts a bloke off if he's not too confident with
> moding hardware gear, so I'm still considering rather than doing!
>
> Guidance from those with experience would be most welcome, please.
>
>
> Cheers, Phred.

First, you have to understand that memory on one place where Dell makes
money.  It's never been any different.

As to what memory to buy and where to buy it, I have to say that Crucial has
never let me down.  They have always speced and sent the right RAM for all
the different dell models I work with including the 4100.  Also, you can't
beat the price, at least here in the US.

If I were you I'd go to www.crucial.com step through the config tool and buy
the memory.


-- 

Rob

I agree with Rob. Crucial.com always seems to know what any name-brand
computer model needs.

Dell isn't the only one. A couple years ago I dealt with Gateway about
adding RAM to a laptop. They wanted $200 and tried to intimidate me into
buying only from them. I got what the model need from Crucial for $49. RAM
is easy to install.
Nan

"Robert R Kircher, Jr." <rrkircher@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fdb4683$0$14963$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> Phred wrote:
> > G'day mates,
> >
> > For some time I've been considering bunging some more memory into my
> > 128MB Dell Dimension 4100 (1.1GHz version), but every time I look it's
> > about twice the price of "normal" 168-pin PC133 non-ECC CAS 3 SDRAM..
> >
> > On top of that, the Australian prices are arithmetically two
> > (Kingston) or three (Crucial) times the US prices for Dell SDRAM
> > whereas on current USD<>AUD they should be more like 35% higher
> > numerically. [US Kingston is more expensive than Crucial, hence that
> > "two or three".]
> >
> > Finally, there's the issue of double/single sided SDRAM which confuses
> > the possibility of using something generic rather than the "special"
> > (is it so special?) Dell stuff from Kingston/Crucial etc., because I
> > really don't know whether Dell uses "single" or "double" and none of
> > the spec sheets I've found mention this distinction -- and I'm led to
> > believe it's not obvious to see by simple inspection, in spite of what
> > those names imply!
> >
> > All of which rather puts a bloke off if he's not too confident with
> > moding hardware gear, so I'm still considering rather than doing!
> >
> > Guidance from those with experience would be most welcome, please.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Phred.
>
> First, you have to understand that memory on one place where Dell makes
> money.  It's never been any different.
>
> As to what memory to buy and where to buy it, I have to say that Crucial
has
> never let me down.  They have always speced and sent the right RAM for all
> the different dell models I work with including the 4100.  Also, you can't
> beat the price, at least here in the US.
>
> If I were you I'd go to www.crucial.com step through the config tool and
buy
> the memory.
>
>
> -- 
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>

The system does need low-density RAM - 16 chips for a 256 MByte module -
which is why it costs more.
Most RAM these days is high density - it costs more to produce modules with
twice as many low-density chips, which is why you see higher prices for
older systems like the XPS-T, -R, and 4100.

Bottom line - you need a 16-chip, non-ECC, CL-2 DIMM for these systems.
There are only two sockets, 512 MBytes max between the two.



"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:brfeh3$2p5iq$1@ID-151056.news.uni-berlin.de...
> G'day mates,
>
> For some time I've been considering bunging some more memory into my
> 128MB Dell Dimension 4100 (1.1GHz version), but every time I look it's
> about twice the price of "normal" 168-pin PC133 non-ECC CAS 3 SDRAM..
>
> On top of that, the Australian prices are arithmetically two
> (Kingston) or three (Crucial) times the US prices for Dell SDRAM
> whereas on current USD<>AUD they should be more like 35% higher
> numerically. [US Kingston is more expensive than Crucial, hence that
> "two or three".]
>
> Finally, there's the issue of double/single sided SDRAM which confuses
> the possibility of using something generic rather than the "special"
> (is it so special?) Dell stuff from Kingston/Crucial etc., because I
> really don't know whether Dell uses "single" or "double" and none of
> the spec sheets I've found mention this distinction -- and I'm led to
> believe it's not obvious to see by simple inspection, in spite of what
> those names imply!
>
> All of which rather puts a bloke off if he's not too confident with
> moding hardware gear, so I'm still considering rather than doing!
>
> Guidance from those with experience would be most welcome, please.
>
>
> Cheers, Phred.
>
> -- 
> ppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID
>

Does the phrase, "easy extra profit" come to mind.

Crucial has always been a reliable(and more economical) source for us

"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:brfeh3$2p5iq$1@ID-151056.news.uni-berlin.de...
> G'day mates,
>
> For some time I've been considering bunging some more memory into my
> 128MB Dell Dimension 4100 (1.1GHz version), but every time I look it's
> about twice the price of "normal" 168-pin PC133 non-ECC CAS 3 SDRAM..
>
> On top of that, the Australian prices are arithmetically two
> (Kingston) or three (Crucial) times the US prices for Dell SDRAM
> whereas on current USD<>AUD they should be more like 35% higher
> numerically. [US Kingston is more expensive than Crucial, hence that
> "two or three".]
>
> Finally, there's the issue of double/single sided SDRAM which confuses
> the possibility of using something generic rather than the "special"
> (is it so special?) Dell stuff from Kingston/Crucial etc., because I
> really don't know whether Dell uses "single" or "double" and none of
> the spec sheets I've found mention this distinction -- and I'm led to
> believe it's not obvious to see by simple inspection, in spite of what
> those names imply!
>
> All of which rather puts a bloke off if he's not too confident with
> moding hardware gear, so I'm still considering rather than doing!
>
> Guidance from those with experience would be most welcome, please.
>
>
> Cheers, Phred.
>
> -- 
> ppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID
>

In article <VsKCb.36301$jg4.20010@newssvr32.news.prodigy.com>, 
"Edward J. Neth" <ejn63@netscape.com> wrote:
>The system does need low-density RAM - 16 chips for a 256 MByte module -
>which is why it costs more.
>Most RAM these days is high density - it costs more to produce modules with
>twice as many low-density chips, which is why you see higher prices for
>older systems like the XPS-T, -R, and 4100.
>
>Bottom line - you need a 16-chip, non-ECC, CL-2 DIMM for these systems.
>There are only two sockets, 512 MBytes max between the two.

Thanks Ted, and others, for your responses.  And, yes, I agree that 
Crucial does look like a good source -- for you blokes in the US.  
Unfortunately, it's not so great for we Aussies because it ships stuff 
by DHL, which has two downsides compared with normal airmail:
1. It's relatively expensive (USD20) and
2. It *automatically* attracts Australian 10% GST on all imports 
whereas mail usually doesn't for minor value (i.e. <AUD500) stuff.

Which means those 256MB DIMMs at USD70 from Crucial suddenly become 
USD99 each (or about AUD136 at current rates).  

Hmm... but maybe not so bad in lots of two (about AUD240 in total by 
my estimate -- assuming that $20 freight charge will cover two DIMM 
modules and there are no other import "gotchas".  (But there probably 
are!)

Incidentally Ted, why do you say CL-2 DIMMs?  The memory specs from 
Dell for the Dimension 4100 series say:

Architecture non-ECC PC133 SDRAM 
Memory sockets two; gold contacts 
Memory capacities 64, 128, and 256 MB (non-ECC) 
Minimum memory 64 MB (non-ECC) 
Maximum memory 512 MB (non-ECC) 
Frequency 133 MHz 
Clock cycle 7.5 ns (supports 4 clocks only) 
CAS latency 3 
SPD revision 1.2 A 
Buffering unbuffered 
Voltage 3.3 V 
Data bus width 64 bits 
<http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/systems/dzuul/specs.htm#memory>

>"Phred" <ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:brfeh3$2p5iq$1@ID-151056.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> G'day mates,
>>
>> For some time I've been considering bunging some more memory into my
>> 128MB Dell Dimension 4100 (1.1GHz version), but every time I look it's
>> about twice the price of "normal" 168-pin PC133 non-ECC CAS 3 SDRAM..
>>
>> On top of that, the Australian prices are arithmetically two
>> (Kingston) or three (Crucial) times the US prices for Dell SDRAM
>> whereas on current USD<>AUD they should be more like 35% higher
>> numerically. [US Kingston is more expensive than Crucial, hence that
>> "two or three".]
>>
>> Finally, there's the issue of double/single sided SDRAM which confuses
>> the possibility of using something generic rather than the "special"
>> (is it so special?) Dell stuff from Kingston/Crucial etc., because I
>> really don't know whether Dell uses "single" or "double" and none of
>> the spec sheets I've found mention this distinction -- and I'm led to
>> believe it's not obvious to see by simple inspection, in spite of what
>> those names imply!
>>
>> All of which rather puts a bloke off if he's not too confident with
>> moding hardware gear, so I'm still considering rather than doing!
>>
>> Guidance from those with experience would be most welcome, please.


Cheers, Phred.

-- 
ppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID

We have a few Dells, l would order the bare mininum RAM from Dell in my 
system. When it comes, l will buy more RAM which is much cheaper. So far 
no problems with my RAM


Phred wrote:
> G'day mates,
> 
> For some time I've been considering bunging some more memory into my 
> 128MB Dell Dimension 4100 (1.1GHz version), but every time I look it's 
> about twice the price of "normal" 168-pin PC133 non-ECC CAS 3 SDRAM..
> 
> On top of that, the Australian prices are arithmetically two 
> (Kingston) or three (Crucial) times the US prices for Dell SDRAM 
> whereas on current USD<>AUD they should be more like 35% higher 
> numerically. [US Kingston is more expensive than Crucial, hence that 
> "two or three".]
> 
> Finally, there's the issue of double/single sided SDRAM which confuses 
> the possibility of using something generic rather than the "special" 
> (is it so special?) Dell stuff from Kingston/Crucial etc., because I 
> really don't know whether Dell uses "single" or "double" and none of 
> the spec sheets I've found mention this distinction -- and I'm led to 
> believe it's not obvious to see by simple inspection, in spite of what 
> those names imply!
> 
> All of which rather puts a bloke off if he's not too confident with 
> moding hardware gear, so I'm still considering rather than doing!
> 
> Guidance from those with experience would be most welcome, please.
> 
> 
> Cheers, Phred.
>