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Article #564Re: Women Rejecting TSs
From: Olivia
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 20:45
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 1994 20:45
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In article <2n77nu$80u@crl.crl.com>, tala@crl.com (Tala Brandeis) writes: |> Transsexuals need |> to study what it means to be a women and know the consciousness of |> women to a much greater depth than most women who have yet to |> develop a consciousness of feminism. Or as my lover has stated, |> "Transsexuals should at least have Women's Studies 201 prior to |> attempting to enter a women's only group." While that may be |> out of the realm of many working class transsexual lesbians, |> libraries do exist. Well put, Tala. Just because I am a female wannabe, I cannot expect to be any more of a female for associating myself with exclusively female organizations. My only consciousness of feminism has been obtained vicariously via the Significant Others in my life, and the level of sensitivity I can obtain based upon that experience is analagous to looking at a photograph of the Grand Canyon relative to standing on the South Rim and gaping in open-mouthed wonder. I genuinely hope to be able to bring something to the party some day, but I do not expect to be able to do that without years of experience, pain and education. Dressing up, passing and getting "ma'amed" by a female clothing salesperson cannot make me a feminist. Suffering the sting of being talked down to by an ignorant appliance salesperson could be but the first baby step along a long and difficult path to understanding. My only hope is that when I get to the point of *needing* the support of some feminist organization, for the same reasons other women need such support, someone will be willing to help just a little. Such a person will earn my undying gratitude, along with my commitment to pay the debt forward to the next person who needs help. -- Olivia Danielle Palmer "This is *not* my second childhood; slammer@delphi.com I am not done with the *first* one yet!"
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