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MEB wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> MEB wrote:
>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>> Oldus Fartus wrote:
>>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23PpvN5nPKHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%23w3tGmnPKHA.4692@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "MEB" <MEB-nothere@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23nRz5TnPKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Ah, Microsoft runs filters here {so do many of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transfer points},
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your post didn't make it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Here"?  This is usenet.  Microsoft can do what they damn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well please
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their server, makes no difference to the majority (people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are actually using usenet, not Microsoft's dumbed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down web based forums).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No here, on the master for the forum via NNTP.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, even Microsoft calls it a "newsgroup" as distinct
>>>>>>>>>>>> from a web based
>>>>>>>>>>>> "forum"
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no such thing as a "master" on Usenet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No internet browser is required to access any news server.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong, and WE did this before.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You sure aren't going to get the newsgroups without either a
>>>>>>>>>>> Internet interfaced newsreader, or via direct download FROM
>>>>>>>>>>> the Internet or its
>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent and some text based alternative... so your
>>>>>>>>>>> argument is without basis, its still basically the web or
>>>>>>>>>>> the old style BBS recovery. Or is it you think it just
>>>>>>>>>>> magically appears on your computer...
>>>>>>>>>> You are so pedantic, yet you don't seem to absorb the written
>>>>>>>>>> word? What part of my  "No internet browser is required to
>>>>>>>>>> access any news server" don't you understand?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about you jam your smartarse "you think it just magically
>>>>>>>>>> appears on
>>>>>>>>>> your computer..."
>>>>>>>>>> where the sun don't shine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What part of you're using an INTERNET BASED NEWSREADER
>>>>>>>>> addressing the SAME forum don't you understand or do you
>>>>>>>>> think the messages just magically appear in your reader...
>>>>>>>> My "BROWSER" is not open or ACTIVE while I am sending this
>>>>>>>> message on Usenet, you goose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO but your web based newsreader IS, ya duck..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are spoiling your arguments by using the terms web and
>>>>>> Internet interchangably.   Think Internet as being a connection
>>>>>> of multiple networks and the WWW as being an application or
>>>>>> protocol which runs on top of the Internet, as does SMTP, NNTP,
>>>>>> FTP and others.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not really, the protocols used, the "what makes up the Internet",
>>>>> which is referred to generally as the Web, determines what occurs.
>>>>> Without them there is none, not the Internet or the Web,
>>>>> regardless of the term used. Throw in an application, and all the
>>>>> broadcasts, IPs, and other become a usable presentation. The
>>>>> basic difference? The application and protocol.
>>>>>
>>>>> The issue and misunderstanding seems to be the protocols and their
>>>>> usage, e.g., the application used to connect to the Web/Internet
>>>>> USING a specific protocol. Regardless of the method, it still
>>>>> remains the Web/Internet, only the application and resultant
>>>>> protocol used changes [as do ports and other aspects, but that is
>>>>> a different discussion]. The actual stream [Internet/Web] carries
>>>>> multiple protocols within it; it is the application [and whatever
>>>>> local and distant other requirements need] that determines the
>>>>> "connection" to whatever offered.
>>>> You keep implying that the terms Web/Internet are interchangable.
>>>> They arent.
>>>>
>>>> usenet has NOTHING to do with the web.
>>
>>> Ok, so where are you receiving the newsgroups from
>>
>> You can see that in the headers.
>>
>>> and via what [and I don't mean the app used]?
>>
>> NNTP. Nothing to do with the web.
>>
>>
>>
>
> The Internet is an internet.
>
> The Web is a web.

> The NTTP servers are on the Internet.

But have absolutely nothing to do with any web.

> The Web is on the Internet.

Irrelevant to whether any NNTP server has anything to do with any web.

> An intranet may contain an NNTP server and not connect to the Internet.

Irrelevant to whether any NNTP server has anything to do with any web.

> A web may contain messages from a news group.

Irrelevant to whether any NNTP server has anything to do with any web.

> The Web may contain messages from Usenets, Forums, private
> internets or intranets, News, newsgroups, and news postings.

Irrelevant to whether any NNTP server has anything to do with any web.

> The Internet contains webs, the Web, newsgroups, News servers, http servers, etc...

Irrelevant to whether any NNTP server has anything to do with any web.

> Now split them from each other...

Just did.

> its a ludicrous argument...

Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front of it.

> the world changes and so does how its perceived.

Irrelevant to whether any NNTP server has anything to do with any web.

> Just one more attempt to make Usenet something special...

Nope, just rubbing your pig ignorant nose in the FACT that an NNTP server has nothing to do with any web.

> it was originally, now is another matter.

Wrong, as always.