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Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
#954
Author: Doug Laidlaw
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 08:13
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I have tried to install Ubuntu Hardy original from both a CD and a DVD, and
Xubuntu from CD.  In all cases, the installer crashes before the bootloader
is created, and I am sent to the LiveCD desktop.  Grub packages are
installed, but there is no /boot/grub directory.  Attempts to create the
directory and its contents fail.  I seem not to be alone with this problem,
but it plainly doesn't affect everybody.  All that I could find on the Web
were forlorn cries for help.  The docos don't get so basic.

Is there any known fix?

TIA,

Doug.
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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
#955
Author: Sandgroper
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:15
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"Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message 
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>I have tried to install Ubuntu Hardy original from both a CD and a DVD, and
> Xubuntu from CD.  In all cases, the installer crashes before the 
> bootloader
> is created, and I am sent to the LiveCD desktop.  Grub packages are
> installed, but there is no /boot/grub directory.  Attempts to create the
> directory and its contents fail.  I seem not to be alone with this 
> problem,
> but it plainly doesn't affect everybody.  All that I could find on the Web
> were forlorn cries for help.  The docos don't get so basic.
>

Yeah , I have heard some people giving up on Hardy and going back to the 
previous version.
Have you tried doing a Custom partition install and then creating the 
partitions for boot , swap and / (root) ?

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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
#871
Author: Doug Laidlaw
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:52
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Sandgroper wrote:

> 
> "Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ottor5-11r.ln1@dougshost.douglaidlaw.net...
>>I have tried to install Ubuntu Hardy original from both a CD and a DVD,
>>and
>> Xubuntu from CD.  In all cases, the installer crashes before the
>> bootloader
>> is created, and I am sent to the LiveCD desktop.  Grub packages are
>> installed, but there is no /boot/grub directory.  Attempts to create the
>> directory and its contents fail.  I seem not to be alone with this
>> problem,
>> but it plainly doesn't affect everybody.  All that I could find on the
>> Web
>> were forlorn cries for help.  The docos don't get so basic.
>>
> 
> Yeah , I have heard some people giving up on Hardy and going back to the
> previous version.
> Have you tried doing a Custom partition install and then creating the
> partitions for boot , swap and / (root) ?
> 
I have separate partitions for / and /home, and re-use my Mandriva swap
partition.

Doug.
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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
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Author: Sandgroper
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:00
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"Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Sandgroper wrote:
> I have separate partitions for / and /home, and re-use my Mandriva swap
> partition.
>

If you are re-using the Mandriva swap partition , then I would be looking 
closely on how you have set that up during the Hardy installation.
Did you format the existing swap partition during the installation ?

Here is a Howto I wrote about creating a dual linux-linux setup in Fedora , 
it might be of help.

http://members.iinet.net.au/~steveray/linux/dual-linux-boot.txt


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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
#874
Author: Will Kemp
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:30
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Sandgroper wrote:
> "Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:mrvpr5-pnr.ln1@dougshost.douglaidlaw.net...
>> Sandgroper wrote:
>> I have separate partitions for / and /home, and re-use my Mandriva swap
>> partition.
>>
> 
> If you are re-using the Mandriva swap partition , then I would be looking 
> closely on how you have set that up during the Hardy installation.
> Did you format the existing swap partition during the installation ?

It wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference either way. Nothing's 
stored on the swap partition between boots.

Just as an aside, it's possible for a dual boot Windows system to share 
the Linux swap partition as well - although you have to do a small 
amount of trickery to make it work.



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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
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Author: Sandgroper
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:52
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"Will Kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message 
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> Sandgroper wrote:
>> "Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:mrvpr5-pnr.ln1@dougshost.douglaidlaw.net...
>>> Sandgroper wrote:
>>> I have separate partitions for / and /home, and re-use my Mandriva swap
>>> partition.
>>>
>>
>> If you are re-using the Mandriva swap partition , then I would be looking 
>> closely on how you have set that up during the Hardy installation.
>> Did you format the existing swap partition during the installation ?
>
> It wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference either way. Nothing's 
> stored on the swap partition between boots.
>
My thinking is that reformatting the existing swap partition may somehow 
stuff the Hardy installation for some reason.
As you may know , with linux , any small thing/problem/error can cause quite 
a few odd side effects that is very hard to track down.


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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
#876
Author: Will Kemp
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:20
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Sandgroper wrote:
> "Will Kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message 
> news:7mDGk.193$933.36@newsfe25.ams2...
>> Sandgroper wrote:
>>> "Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message 
>>> news:mrvpr5-pnr.ln1@dougshost.douglaidlaw.net...
>>>> Sandgroper wrote:
>>>> I have separate partitions for / and /home, and re-use my Mandriva swap
>>>> partition.
>>>>
>>> If you are re-using the Mandriva swap partition , then I would be looking 
>>> closely on how you have set that up during the Hardy installation.
>>> Did you format the existing swap partition during the installation ?
>> It wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference either way. Nothing's 
>> stored on the swap partition between boots.
>>
> My thinking is that reformatting the existing swap partition may somehow 
> stuff the Hardy installation for some reason.

Ah, i see. Yeah, i can imagine that. Not so much the reformatting itself 
- unless they've inexplicably managed to stuff that process up - but i 
can see that selecting that option could include a bug in the 
installation system that doesn't get included if you don't.

> As you may know , with linux , any small thing/problem/error can cause quite 
> a few odd side effects that is very hard to track down.

That seems particularly true with installation software!



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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
#877
Author: Doug Laidlaw
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:03
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Will Kemp wrote:

> Sandgroper wrote:
>> "Will Kemp" <will@xxxx.swaggie.net> wrote in message
>> news:7mDGk.193$933.36@newsfe25.ams2...
>>> Sandgroper wrote:
>>>> "Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:mrvpr5-pnr.ln1@dougshost.douglaidlaw.net...
>>>>> Sandgroper wrote:
>>>>> I have separate partitions for / and /home, and re-use my Mandriva
>>>>> swap partition.
>>>>>
>>>> If you are re-using the Mandriva swap partition , then I would be
>>>> looking closely on how you have set that up during the Hardy
>>>> installation. Did you format the existing swap partition during the
>>>> installation ?
>>> It wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference either way. Nothing's
>>> stored on the swap partition between boots.
>>>
>> My thinking is that reformatting the existing swap partition may somehow
>> stuff the Hardy installation for some reason.
> 
> Ah, i see. Yeah, i can imagine that. Not so much the reformatting itself
> - unless they've inexplicably managed to stuff that process up - but i
> can see that selecting that option could include a bug in the
> installation system that doesn't get included if you don't.
> 
>> As you may know , with linux , any small thing/problem/error can cause
>> quite a few odd side effects that is very hard to track down.
> 
> That seems particularly true with installation software!
> 
> 
> 
Sandgroper's HOWTO is good, but it seems to assume that everything is there. 
If /boot/grub exists and contains the right files, I can manage.  But /boot
does not contain a grub/ folder, only the kenel files.  Following info
grub, I copied all the files across from /usr/lib, but no dice.

I was running it on some extra space on my Mandriva system.  I have
currently taken it off and put Mandriva 2009 rc2 there.

I had trouble with Suse 9 getting it to recognise my recent model CD drive,
and with Mandriva before 2008.1 to recognize the NIC on my motherboard, so
certainly new hardware can be a problem.

Doug.
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Re: Ubuntu Hardy - no bootloader
#860
Author: Avid Fan
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:40
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Sandgroper wrote:
> "Doug Laidlaw" <doug@dougshost.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:ottor5-11r.ln1@dougshost.douglaidlaw.net...
>> I have tried to install Ubuntu Hardy original from both a CD and a DVD, and
>> Xubuntu from CD.  In all cases, the installer crashes before the 
>> bootloader
>> is created, and I am sent to the LiveCD desktop.  Grub packages are
>> installed, but there is no /boot/grub directory.  Attempts to create the
>> directory and its contents fail.  I seem not to be alone with this 
>> problem,
>> but it plainly doesn't affect everybody.  All that I could find on the Web
>> were forlorn cries for help.  The docos don't get so basic.
>>
> 
> Yeah , I have heard some people giving up on Hardy and going back to the 
> previous version.

What?  Hardy Heron 8.04 is as stable as you can get.

My guess is there is something wrong with with the Windows partition.

Are you dual booting?  If so boot up in Windows and let it go to do what 
   ever it has to do then use the Ubuntu Live CD.


What hardware are you using?



> Have you tried doing a Custom partition install and then creating the 
> partitions for boot , swap and / (root) ?
> 
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