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Christopher Mountford (cjmount@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU) wrote:
: hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Dwayne Jones-Evans) writes:

: >In this instance, it was because she was a journalist.  The first time
: >gender was mentioned in the mailing list (why it was taken to a
: >newsgroup I have no idea) was when rosie started whining about us
: >"oppressing" (read: not totally agreeing with her) her.

: My point is now and always was that opression and not agreeing are 
: often confused by the people who do the opressing and that this is a 
: structural feature of the net and of RL. 

Who the hell died and made you god?  What you are in effect saying is
that I am unaware when I am being sexist, because I am too ignorant to
realise it. I'd tell you to fuck off too, but I've been told by La Trobe
sysadmins that this isn't nice, so I won't, but shit, I find your
insinuation to be offensive in the extreme.

Has it ever occurred to you that there are people in the world who can
actually think, other than yourself. Not that you are a shining exaple
anyway.

All I have seen so far from you is posts to people who disagree with you
saying "you'd understand if you actually thought about it" etc etc ad
nauseum.  Well, ye, some of us DO think, some of us ARE aware of the
power structures at play in the world, and some of us ARE able to
differentiate between gender and inidividual, something you seem
incapable of doing.

Apparently the inimitible Rosie has now mailed my sysadmin complaining
that I am harrassing her via email, when I have, in fact, sent her one
message, and that was a reply to my sysadmin over the whole debacle,
which I cc:ed to her assuming that it isn't nice to complain about her
complaining about me and not cc:ing it, and then doing the same.

This is starting to get heavy.

Stay tuned for me ringing up the ABC and wondering why one of their
journos has threatened legal action against my university on their
behalf.

Rosie, if you're actually still with this thread: back off, you've much
more to lose than I.

Everyone else: keep reading, it's been lots of fun so far.

: I think too often men don't
: realise when they are opressing women because they ignore other ways
: of thinking. 

I think too often axe-grinders like yourself fail to allow other
people the luxury of independant thought.

: I make no judgement about you or your actions, similarly
: decline your offer to make any about Rosie. 

But it hasn't stopped you hijacking the thread for your own ends, and
then, when people point out that what you are saying bears little
resemblence to reality, as typified by the entire POINT of this debacle,
you say "I'm not talking about that".

Sheesh. Make all the points you like about sexism on the net, a lot of
them are true *to a certain extent* but do NOT use this thread as an
example, as your example is not based on reality.

: Don't do what you hated 
: her to do either remember, not that, if you are 100% right, you wouldn't
: be pissed off enough to forget that point, but it's always my rule of
: thumb that the truth is somewhere inbetween. If Rosie has a problem 
: with you then I will and did leave that to her. But if any woman 
: feels opressed, I've seen it enough to want to help her fight it.

But she isn't oppressed, you loon, at least not by me. Cripes, I'm the
last person who would oppress someone on the basis of gender.

: Even if you were right about everything you said. 

I'm damned sure I am, and I have the posts to back it up.  All of them.
All of the posts on these newsgroups that I can find, and also the posts
on ausrave both before and after my letter, as well as the letters to
and from my sysadmin, and rosies gem which had me hauled over the coals.

And for the record, I am NOT a "computer science lecturer" I'm a history
undergrad. Sheesh.

: There has been very
: little real personal backlash against anyone but rosie on these news
: groups in this thread. 

Because, so far, everyone bar her has behaved as if they were reasonable
human beings. Rosie's attempt to
a: muzzle me by threatening legal action, and
b: drum up public support

have both fizzled out because everyone realises it for what it is, scum
action by a particularly nasty piece of work.

: I have been defending my perception of the 
: generic problems faced by women as characterised by what Rosie said
: about how *she* *felt* she had been treated. But I don't take sides
: with personal arguments.

But you don't have any problem with using Rosies misrepresentation of my
actions as ammunition in your argument, and ignoring the fact that what
she says is utter crap.  You can't have one without the other, you
either acknowledge that your argument is flawed, as the evidence you use
is untrue, or make generic statements about women and the net, *without
making any reference to rosie or myself*, in which case I'll cheer you
on from the sidelines. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You
can't say "see, rosie is oppressed, therefore all women are oppressed"
and then ignore the howls of protest from those wo actually kow what the
hell is going on.

If rosie IS so oppressed, if I *am* such a big bad oogley-boogley nasty
person, why has she written two posts in this thread so far, as far as I
can tell? Is it perhaps because she knows she's been caught out?

I have received a lot of mail from people who have said "just ignore
her, she's not worth the bother, she shat on me, but I decided not to do
anything about it".  In this instance, being the stubborn bastard that I
am, I've decided to do something about it. And Rosie has been singularly
impressive by her abscence.

Dwayne.



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