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Article #120Re: Simon's ant
From: Rick Marken
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 00:00
Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 00:00
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[From Rick Marken (990502.1340)] Bruce Abbott (990502.0915 EST) -- > To stave off further discussion of what Herbert Simon did or > did not say about the ant in _The Sciences of the Artificial > (1969), I herewith present the relevant paragraphs from > "Chapter 2 -- The Psychology of Thinking: Embedding Artifice > in Nature." Thanks for taking the trouble to type all that in. It certainly validates Bill's analyses of Simon's "argument", doesn't it [eg. Bill Powers (990502.0326 MDT)]. I guess I'm wondering why you are so anxious to give us a "clear sense of Simon's argument". Do you think there something about Simon's argument that contributes to our understanding of behavior in a way that goes beyond our underetanding based on PCT? Or do you think that Simon's argument is in some way "consistent" with PCT? Or do you think his argument is the same as PCT, only using different wards? It seems pretty obvious from this except (_The Sciences of the Artificial_, 1969) that Simon had no idea that organisms control perceptual representations of external states of affairs. So what's all theis fuss about Simon? He's a nice enough fellow (I met him at a conference in Minnesota); but he certinaly didn't know that purposeful behavior _is_ control (if he did, he was -- and still is, if he's alive -- keeping it to himself). Best Rick -- = Richard S. Marken Phone or Fax: 310 474-0313 Life Learning Associates e-mail: rmarken@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~rmarken/
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