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On 11/15/2011 2:22 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Adam H. Kerman<ahk@chinet.com>  wrote:
>> dye<dye11@adsl-64-108-194-61.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net>  wrote:
>>> Cydrome Leader<presence@MUNGEpanix.com>  wrote:
>>>> Bruce Esquibel<bje@ripco.com>  wrote:
>>>>> dye<dye@adsl-64-108-194-61.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net>  wrote:
>>
>>>>>> At the time, chicagonet.net didn't detect two 64k connections,
>>>>>> so I got all the computers in the network 128K access for
>>>>>> $15/month....a bit of an improvement over 40k "dialout"
>>
>>>>> Hmm, that doesn't sound right.
>>
>>>>> Maybe they didn't detect it but must of permitted it, the channel bonding
>>>>> for ISDN was mostly an option to support, I don't think it was "on" by
>>>>> default with most hardware.
>>
>>>>> Besides the profile to support the bonding, the stuff we used (livingston
>>>>> and 3com) I think used a stock profile setting "Line-Limit=1" so if someone
>>>>> borrowed someone elses login and tried to use it, both connections were
>>>>> dropped.
>>
>>>>> I'm just saying, was probably more intentional than accidental.
>>
>>>>> Maybe they outsourced.
>>
>>>> I think I used chicagonet if it was the NT (really) based ISP that just
>>>> rented dialup pool connections from level3 or something like that.
>>
>>>> lots of those places really didn't know if you had both channels up. It
>>>> took RCN years to notice I (and everybody) was doing that.
>>
>>> They had two different price plans, so not intentional.  I seem to
>>> remember my one data line being "dialed out" most of the time.
>>> Since it was a "Band A" call, it was 5 cents, untimed.
>>
>> Timed data call is the stupidity that prevented ISDN from being more
>> widely deployed and kept numerous people on modems who would have
>> bought digital service instead.
>
> Was this strictly because it was data or a "business" type service?
>
> I'm sure this changed at some point, but as I recall businesses always
> payed per minute for their calls and didn't get the flat rate or callpack
> stuff consumers got. With the ISDN stuff, unless you said it was home
> service, you'd pay the always higher business rates even if you never
> placed a call.

Yep. Businesses never got the flat rate stuff that I recall, either. I 
had a few arguments with their billing for my dual-ISDN where they 
somehow thought my home was a business.

> The other deregulation era complete joke was "reciprocal compensation"-
> where in theory, ameritech would pay you to terminal a phone call if you
> did it digitally or though your own switch or something like that. Of
> course they never payed unles you sued for so many years that everybody
> forogt what the suit was even about.

Ah, CABS fees. These are still a very hilariously entertaining part of 
the phone biz. We're all breaking a fuckton of Federal regulations and 
laws with how we handle 'em, is my guess. Basically, we all agree to not 
charge each other the recip comp fees. Every once in a while, some 
small-town asshole company makes a stink about it and we have to band 
together with the big dogs to let the little company know what's going 
to happen to their business overall if they really try to push the CABS 
issue.

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smr