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Christopher Shaw wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
> hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> restore from in the event of a HD crash.
> 
> cshaw1@san.rr.com

Not really... you will have a SID problem.

Jas

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Christopher Shaw wrote:
> ...

As Jason points out in another post, you have a SID (Security
Identifier) problem.

I have had success in doing so using Powerquest's Drive Image but there
seems to be a trick ...

<soapbox out>
You need a DOS partition, i.e. multi-boot.
<soapbox put away>

What I do is restore the WS partition and then restore the DOS partition
- just restoring the WS partition fails.  Now, I must emphasis that this
is not after a HD crash.  If and when my HD crashes then I'll try it
again and let you know if it works on a *different* HD.

I have heard that there are "SID" programs that will also correct this
problem and perhaps someone can offer information on this as I have
heard little else.

I'm certain there are other ways (involving a rescue disk et al) too but
as the above works for me, I haven't spent time investigating further.

Christopher Shaw wrote in message
<01bdaa2a$e52075a0$440fd2cc@ora1.san.rr.com>...
>Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
>workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
>the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
>successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
>hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
>restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>
>cshaw1@san.rr.com


Check out
http://www.microsoft.com/NTworkstation/Deployment/deployment/default.asp.
Look for the link to "Disk Image Copying of Microsoft Operating Systems."
I've not tried it myself, but this is supposed to be MS's response to the
demand for NT Workstation cloning.

yep, this work fine with Ghost ver 4.0

pascal
dwl@unifiedtech.com wrote in message ...
>Christopher Shaw wrote in message
><01bdaa2a$e52075a0$440fd2cc@ora1.san.rr.com>...
>>Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
>>workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
>>the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
>>successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of
the
>>hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
>>restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>>
>>cshaw1@san.rr.com
>
>
>Check out
>http://www.microsoft.com/NTworkstation/Deployment/deployment/default.asp.
>Look for the link to "Disk Image Copying of Microsoft Operating Systems."
>I've not tried it myself, but this is supposed to be MS's response to the
>demand for NT Workstation cloning.
>
>

Although the SID factor does come into play, if you are using it for the
reason you specify (restoring after a hard drive crash), this shouldn't be
an issue, as the original machine that had the SID is gone at that point.

I should note that the latest release of Ghost also comes with a separate
utility to change SIDs.  We have used this successfully on several PCs now.
 Also, just as a direct answer to the later part of your question, yes, we
are able to successfully clone NT 4 hard drives (FAT or NTFS) without
problems.
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Christopher Shaw <cshaw1@san.rr.com> wrote in article
<01bdaa2a$e52075a0$440fd2cc@ora1.san.rr.com>...
> Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of
the
> hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> restore from in the event of a HD crash.
> 
> cshaw1@san.rr.com
> 
> 

Christopher Shaw wrote:

> Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
> hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>
> cshaw1@san.rr.com

go to http://www.ghostsoft.com and check out ghost - I just installed 10 nt
machines using this program, no problems whatsoever - then you have to go
around again and use their ghostwalker program to take care of the sid issue,
but i'd rather spend 10 minutes per machine than 3 hours....

mike

Christopher Shaw wrote:

> Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
> hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>
> cshaw1@san.rr.com

go to http://www.ghostsoft.com and check out ghost - I just installed 10 nt
machines using this program, no problems whatsoever - then you have to go
around again and use their ghostwalker program to take care of the sid issue,
but i'd rather spend 10 minutes per machine than 3 hours....

mike

We use a program called InstallMate which seems to work quite well. their
latest version takes care of that infamous SID problem. From what I also
hear Ghost takes care of that problem as well. I'd say your best bet is to
try copying the machine and go from there. What's the worst thing that could
happen? It doesn't work? Just make sure that you take the machine you are
duplicating off the net when the other one comes on line or else you'll have
that problem of two machines on the net with the same name. Good luck, let
me know what happens!

Christopher Tellez
Systems Administrator/MCSE
DevelopMentor




Christopher Shaw wrote in message
<01bdaa2a$e52075a0$440fd2cc@ora1.san.rr.com>...
>Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
>workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
>the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
>successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
>hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
>restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>
>cshaw1@san.rr.com
>

In article <35A38F1B.238F6831@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu>, Mike Kloss
<mike.kloss@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu> writes
>Christopher Shaw wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
>> workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
>> the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
>> successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
>> hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
>> restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>>
>> cshaw1@san.rr.com
>
>go to http://www.ghostsoft.com and check out ghost - I just installed 10 nt
>machines using this program, no problems whatsoever - then you have to go
>around again and use their ghostwalker program to take care of the sid issue,
>but i'd rather spend 10 minutes per machine than 3 hours....
>
Does the SID stay with the machine for ever, or is it allocated when the
machine joins the domain? If the latter, surely you can boot the
machine, change domain, delete and re-add the machine using Domain
Server Manager, and then rejoin the domain. Bit of hassle but it's just
two reboots.
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Ghost works fine and if you ghost a w\s at the right time there is no SID
problem as long as you are authenticating to domain's not workgroups.
If you install NT and all the apps you wan't on the workstation and either
don't add it to the domain to do this, or remove from the domain at this point,
all should be fine. The local SID is generated as the machine joins the domain,
so cloning at this point resolves the SID issue.

The only problem's I have incurred are making a working 95 boot disk but that's
a different story!

Christopher Shaw wrote:

> Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
> hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>
> cshaw1@san.rr.com



--
Steve Wilson
Networks  Administrator
Orchestream Ltd, London

If you use GhostWalker, you will have no SID problem.

In article <35AA5014.1A80A978@orchestream.com>,
  Steve Wilson <swilson@orchestream.com> wrote:
> Ghost works fine and if you ghost a w\s at the right time there is no SID
> problem as long as you are authenticating to domain's not workgroups.
> If you install NT and all the apps you wan't on the workstation and either
> don't add it to the domain to do this, or remove from the domain at this
point,
> all should be fine. The local SID is generated as the machine joins the
domain,
> so cloning at this point resolves the SID issue.
>
> The only problem's I have incurred are making a working 95 boot disk but
that's
> a different story!
>
> Christopher Shaw wrote:
>
> > Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> > workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> > the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> > successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
> > hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> > restore from in the event of a HD crash.
> >
> > cshaw1@san.rr.com
>
> --
> Steve Wilson
> Networks  Administrator
> Orchestream Ltd, London
>
>

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If you use Imagecast but want to format to NTFS, you will have the problem
of SID but can use a freeware program called NewSid to change them.  I
suspect the same will hold true for Ghost.

Josh

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 equake66@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> If you use GhostWalker, you will have no SID problem.
> 
> In article <35AA5014.1A80A978@orchestream.com>,
>   Steve Wilson <swilson@orchestream.com> wrote:
> > Ghost works fine and if you ghost a w\s at the right time there is no SID
> > problem as long as you are authenticating to domain's not workgroups.
> > If you install NT and all the apps you wan't on the workstation and either
> > don't add it to the domain to do this, or remove from the domain at this
> point,
> > all should be fine. The local SID is generated as the machine joins the
> domain,
> > so cloning at this point resolves the SID issue.
> >
> > The only problem's I have incurred are making a working 95 boot disk but
> that's
> > a different story!
> >
> > Christopher Shaw wrote:
> >
> > > Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> > > workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> > > the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> > > successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of the
> > > hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> > > restore from in the event of a HD crash.
> > >
> > > cshaw1@san.rr.com
> >
> > --
> > Steve Wilson
> > Networks  Administrator
> > Orchestream Ltd, London
> >
> >
> 
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> 

Ghost is easy!

equake66@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<6ofkgn$209$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>If you use GhostWalker, you will have no SID problem.


Or don't join the domain before configuring the device name.

>In article <35AA5014.1A80A978@orchestream.com>,
>  Steve Wilson <swilson@orchestream.com> wrote:
>> Ghost works fine and if you ghost a w\s at the right time there is no SID
>> problem as long as you are authenticating to domain's not workgroups.
>> If you install NT and all the apps you wan't on the workstation and
either
>> don't add it to the domain to do this, or remove from the domain at this
>point,
>> all should be fine. The local SID is generated as the machine joins the
>domain,
>> so cloning at this point resolves the SID issue.
>>
>> The only problem's I have incurred are making a working 95 boot disk but
>that's
>> a different story!


 What are you using for your boot disk and what protocols? I run multiple
workstation loads from one floppy drive ( I think at last count I was at 7).


>> Christopher Shaw wrote:
>>
>> > Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
>> > workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix
in
>> > the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
>> > successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of
the
>> > hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
>> > restore from in the event of a HD crash.
>> >
>> > cshaw1@san.rr.com
>>
>> --
>> Steve Wilson
>> Networks  Administrator
>> Orchestream Ltd, London
>>
>>
>
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Use newsid with caution as it realy burned me here.  It seems to work fine on
freshly cloned machines, but when applied to machines with existing accounts,
the registry entries for the existing profiles were corrupted, forcing me to
re-create the accounts on the machines.


In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.980714092455.8130A-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>,
  Joshua Samuel Moses <jsmoses@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
> If you use Imagecast but want to format to NTFS, you will have the problem
> of SID but can use a freeware program called NewSid to change them.  I
> suspect the same will hold true for Ghost.
>
> Josh
>
> On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 equake66@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > If you use GhostWalker, you will have no SID problem.
> >
> > In article <35AA5014.1A80A978@orchestream.com>,
> >   Steve Wilson <swilson@orchestream.com> wrote:
> > > Ghost works fine and if you ghost a w\s at the right time there is no SID
> > > problem as long as you are authenticating to domain's not workgroups.
> > > If you install NT and all the apps you wan't on the workstation and either
> > > don't add it to the domain to do this, or remove from the domain at this
> > point,
> > > all should be fine. The local SID is generated as the machine joins the
> > domain,
> > > so cloning at this point resolves the SID issue.
> > >
> > > The only problem's I have incurred are making a working 95 boot disk but
> > that's
> > > a different story!
> > >
> > > Christopher Shaw wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is it possible to make an image file (ghost, etc..) of an NT 4.0
> > > > workstation.  We currently do this for win95 computers as a quick fix in
> > > > the event that the hard drive crashes.  However I have not been able to
> > > > successfully use "ghost" on NT 4.0 workstation to make an image file of
the
> > > > hard drive.  Any ideas?   Once again the purpose is to have an image to
> > > > restore from in the event of a HD crash.
> > > >
> > > > cshaw1@san.rr.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Wilson
> > > Networks  Administrator
> > > Orchestream Ltd, London
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
>
>



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