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Article #195Re: @Home Blacklisted by ORBS on 9 of 10 New Email Servers
From: Mike Stump
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:49
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:49
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In article <slrn94le7k.rp.plew@crane.li-po.edu>, Paul Lew <plew@csus.edu> wrote: >All one need to do is to look at the www.orbs.org for their claims >and faq; the ORBS claims of being "innocent" regarding people's lost >email is the same type of claim as gun dealers, liquor dealers, bars, >and even tobacco companies have used. If ORBS is really "innocent", >then narcotic suppliers are also innocent since the narcotics is just >supplied and it is up to the purchaser etc.... Congratulations, you seem to have figured out that MAPS and ORBS work by the threat of blocking legitimate email. Wow, did you figure that out all by yourself, or did someone help you? Most of the people that care to know, already knew this. It is kinda like not dealing with Cuba. You may not like it, or support it personally, and I am sure we can agree that many people (most people) in Cuba are innocent, but the fact remains, the US has certain rules and laws for dealing with Cuba. We have them to try and change Cuba. ORBS and MAPS are similar, we throw the baby out with the bathwater, and exclude them. The lists attempt to excommunicate, if I may use that word, people that don't conform to our societies norms. People that offer no distinction between themselves and people so exiled are also exiled. We could go to extensive lengths to try and segregate people, so that innocents are not harmed, but that goes against what it is that is trying to be achieved. You can argue this is wrong, and all, but in the end, you're just out of luck. Gun dealers try and make a society full of guns, MAPS/ORBS try and make a society free of spam, they are each guilty of the end result of their existence.
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X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fa874,20ce3a920b14a2e4 X-Google-Attributes: gidfa874,public X-Google-Thread: 113850,20ce3a920b14a2e4 X-Google-Attributes: gid113850,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-12-28 18:00:04 PST Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable,ba.internet Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!204.127.161.2.MISMATCH!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!207.172.3.44!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.stanford.edu!kithrup.com!mrs From: mrs@kithrup.com (Mike Stump) Subject: Re: @Home Blacklisted by ORBS on 9 of 10 New Email Servers Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd. Message-ID: <G6B3qv.7zq@kithrup.com> References: <3A4997AD.B58ACAD5@spamcop.net> <K0s26.6731$Sl.349652@iad-read.news.verio.net> <G697qz.Irs@kithrup.com> <slrn94le7k.rp.plew@crane.li-po.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:49:43 GMT Lines: 31