🚀 go-pugleaf

On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 01:49:43 GMT, Mike Stump <mrs@kithrup.com> wrote:
>In article <slrn94le7k.rp.plew@crane.li-po.edu>,
>Paul Lew <plew@csus.edu> wrote:
>>All one need to do is to look at the www.orbs.org for their claims
>>and faq; the ORBS claims of being "innocent" regarding people's lost
>>email is the same type of claim as gun dealers, liquor dealers, bars,
>>and even tobacco companies have used.  If ORBS is really "innocent",
>>then narcotic suppliers are also innocent since the narcotics is just
>>supplied and it is up to the purchaser etc....
>
>Congratulations, you seem to have figured out that MAPS and ORBS work
>by the threat of blocking legitimate email.  Wow, did you figure that
>out all by yourself, or did someone help you?

That is not true as even ORBS clearly state that it is not a "threat"
but actual blocking of legitimate email occurs; the pretense that it is
a only a threat is a lie.

>
>Most of the people that care to know, already knew this.

That is a generality.  I care and only found out about ORBS recently
and feel that blocking my legitimate email means ORBS is just hacking
the Internet to make transactions unreliable.  ORBS has not publicised
their intent and purpose widely thru the news media.

>
>It is kinda like not dealing with Cuba.  You may not like it, or
>support it personally, and I am sure we can agree that many people
>(most people) in Cuba are innocent, but the fact remains, the US has
>certain rules and laws for dealing with Cuba.  We have them to try and
>change Cuba.  ORBS and MAPS are similar, we throw the baby out with
>the bathwater, and exclude them.  The lists attempt to excommunicate,
>if I may use that word, people that don't conform to our societies
>norms.  People that offer no distinction between themselves and people
>so exiled are also exiled.  We could go to extensive lengths to try
>and segregate people, so that innocents are not harmed, but that goes
>against what it is that is trying to be achieved.  You can argue this
>is wrong, and all, but in the end, you're just out of luck.

Thank you.  A reasoning for mass destruction as in letting loose a
computer virus as a "revenge" on microsoft even if many others will 
be affected since the "ends justify the means".

>
>Gun dealers try and make a society full of guns, MAPS/ORBS try and
>make a society free of spam, they are each guilty of the end result of
>their existence.