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On 9/28/07 9:24 AM, in article 46fd2830$0$32509$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> Will someone please assist me in answering my questions in the below thread?
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.deaf-l/browse_frm/thread/10f154c72
> 15a31a6?scoring=d&hl=en
> 
> 
> Thanks for your cooperation and understanding,
> 
> Radium

You have certainly made a mess of making google searches.  They should flush
all your posts so anyone wanting to search your latest interest might find
rational information.

"Green Xenon [Radium]" wrote ...
> Will someone please assist me in answering my questions in the below 
> thread?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.deaf-l/browse_frm/thread/10f154c7215a31a6?scoring=d&hl=en
>
>
> Thanks for your cooperation and understanding,

Hard to cooperate or understand when you make up acronyms
apparently out of thin air and then demand that they be defined
and explained.  It is the kind of scenario that would make a good
scene on Monty Python.

If "EDTN" is really an acronym that you didn't make up yourself,
tell us where you saw it. Even better trace it back through the
context yourself. You might learn something about research
instead of asking everyone else to do it for you. 

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Will someone please assist me in answering my questions in the below 
> thread?

   ...

Where did you hear of your particular combination of letters? Isn't that 
a good place to start if you want to track down its meaning? You seem to 
have an idea that it's a kind of telephone service for people with a 
particular disability. That's pretty specific. What makes you think so?

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Richard Crowley wrote:

> If "EDTN" is really an acronym that you didn't make up yourself,
> tell us where you saw it. 

Quotes from http://www.teletec.co.uk/minicoms/uniphone.php :

"Baudot, CCITT and EDTN codes"

Quotes from 
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/69ccb7c241b916d2?hl=en& 
:

"It's a long time since I had anything to do with this but the 'normal' 
standards were/are Baudot, CCITT and EDTN."

Now would someone please assist me on this?

On 9/28/07 11:04 AM, in article 46fd3f93$0$20627$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> Richard Crowley wrote:
> 
>> If "EDTN" is really an acronym that you didn't make up yourself,
>> tell us where you saw it.
> 
> Quotes from http://www.teletec.co.uk/minicoms/uniphone.php :
> 
> "Baudot, CCITT and EDTN codes"
> 
> Quotes from 
> http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/69ccb7c241b916d2?hl=
> en& 
> :
> 
> "It's a long time since I had anything to do with this but the 'normal'
> standards were/are Baudot, CCITT and EDTN."
> 
> Now would someone please assist me on this?

That you provide bullshit as information, doesn't help.

Your answer is here.....  Google for "tted directive"

Include the quote marks.

"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote in message 
news:46fd3f93$0$20627$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Richard Crowley wrote:
>
>> If "EDTN" is really an acronym that you didn't make up yourself,
>> tell us where you saw it.
>
> Quotes from http://www.teletec.co.uk/minicoms/uniphone.php :
>
> "Baudot, CCITT and EDTN codes"
>
> Quotes from 
> http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/69ccb7c241b916d2?hl=en& :
>
> "It's a long time since I had anything to do with this but the 'normal' 
> standards were/are Baudot, CCITT and EDTN."
>
> Now would someone please assist me on this?

What happened when you asked Teletec?
What happened when you asked Peter Andrews?

Just throwing out questions like this clearly isn't getting you anywhere.
Your tone of insistence isn't winning you any friends, either. 

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Richard Crowley wrote:
> 
>> If "EDTN" is really an acronym that you didn't make up yourself,
>> tell us where you saw it. 
> 
> Quotes from http://www.teletec.co.uk/minicoms/uniphone.php :
> 
> "Baudot, CCITT and EDTN codes"
> 
> Quotes from 
> http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/69ccb7c241b916d2?hl=en& 
> :
> 
> "It's a long time since I had anything to do with this but the 'normal' 
> standards were/are Baudot, CCITT and EDTN."
> 
> Now would someone please assist me on this?

Don't believe everything you read. Baudot code was a five-bit code for a 
teletype-like machine (with two modal shift characters so some keys had 
three meanings). CCITT was a standards organization, now superceded. For 
all I know, Baudot may have been the subject of one of their standards.

What gives you an idea that EDTN has anything to do with deafness? If it 
does, it may be similar to TTY/TDD in the U.S.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:51:56 -0400, Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote:

>What gives you an idea that EDTN has anything to do with deafness? If it 
>does, it may be similar to TTY/TDD in the U.S.

It's the European Deaf Telephone (Network) that is used in a few
European countries - Germany and Switzerland for example.  It uses V21
modulation, but only one channel, and runs at 110 baud.

Took me less than 5 minutes to find using a search engine - the OP
couldn't have been trying too hard.
-- 
Ian

The from address is (currently) valid

Jerry Avins wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>>
>> Will someone please assist me in answering my questions in the below 
>> thread?
> 
> 
>   ...
> 
> Where did you hear of your particular combination of letters? Isn't that 
> a good place to start if you want to track down its meaning? You seem to 
> have an idea that it's a kind of telephone service for people with a 
> particular disability. That's pretty specific. What makes you think so?
> 
> Jerry

Using *_ONLY_* information from his "Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:04:03 -0700" 
post and spending approximately 10 minutes with Google I came up with 10 
URL's of agencies/firms which would be able to answer ANY legitimate 
question or be willing/able to "tell him where to go" [intentional 
double entendre]. The majority of sources are either commercial or 
governmental sites. Remainder appear to be charitable sites.

All he would probably need would be a cogent reason for asking.

Don Bowey wrote:

> Your answer is here.....  Google for "tted directive"
> 
> Include the quote marks.

Did exactly that.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tted+directive%22+&btnG=Google+Search

No results

On 9/28/07 12:18 PM, in article 46fd5116$0$11008$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> Don Bowey wrote:
> 
>> Your answer is here.....  Google for "tted directive"
>> 
>> Include the quote marks.
> 
> Did exactly that.
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tted+directive%22+&btnG=Google+Search
> 
> No results

You should not have stopped.

Google "tte directive" 

On 9/28/07 12:15 PM, in article 13fqkm4m7f7q963@news.supernews.com, "Richard
Owlett" <rowlett@atlascomm.net> wrote:

> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> Will someone please assist me in answering my questions in the below
>>> thread?
>> 
>> 
>>   ...
>> 
>> Where did you hear of your particular combination of letters? Isn't that
>> a good place to start if you want to track down its meaning? You seem to
>> have an idea that it's a kind of telephone service for people with a
>> particular disability. That's pretty specific. What makes you think so?
>> 
>> Jerry
> 
> Using *_ONLY_* information from his "Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:04:03 -0700"
> post and spending approximately 10 minutes with Google I came up with 10
> URL's of agencies/firms which would be able to answer ANY legitimate
> question or be willing/able to "tell him where to go" [intentional
> double entendre]. The majority of sources are either commercial or
> governmental sites. Remainder appear to be charitable sites.
> 
> All he would probably need would be a cogent reason for asking.

And enough effective intelligence to understand what is presented so he can
connect the dots.

On Sep 28, 12:00 pm, IanB <ol...@sunhillow.eu> wrote in 
http://groups.google.com/group/24hoursupport.helpdesk/msg/b9ce4d219f7ce255 :

 > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:51:56 -0400, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:

 > >What gives you an idea that EDTN has
 > >anything to do with deafness? If it
 > >does, it may be similar to TTY/TDD in the U.S.

 > It's the European Deaf Telephone (Network) that is used in a few
 > European countries - Germany and Switzerland for example.  It uses V21
 > modulation, but only one channel, and runs at 110 baud.

Where did you find this information? Specifically, where did you find 
that EDTN is �European Deaf Telephone Network�?

 > Took me less than 5 minutes to find using a search engine

Really? What search engine did you use?

I used Google.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:26:29 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
<glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

>Where did you find this information?

A couple of the sites I came across mentioned it - I can't remember
which ones.  Nothing technical, just a brief description.

> Specifically, where did you find 
>that EDTN is �European Deaf Telephone Network�?

I didn't.  The "Network" bit was in brackets because I meant, but
forgot, to put a question mark in there as well.

>Really? What search engine did you use?

Microsoft Live Search

-- 
Ian

The from address is (currently) valid

IanB wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:26:29 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
> <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

>>Specifically, where did you find 
>>that EDTN is �European Deaf Telephone Network�?

> I didn't.  The "Network" bit was in brackets because I meant, but
> forgot, to put a question mark in there as well.

So, IOW, you don't know for sure that EDTN equates to �European Deaf 
Telephone Network�? I was afraid that would happen.

Whenever I've asked about EDTN [in relation to TDD], anyone who does 
give an answer does not seem to know whether it is 100% correct. So my 
suspicion was confirmed. !#%!$

Not trying to be a nuisance but I�m going crazy because of the 
difficulty in answering my question.

Anyways, I am going to read the "TTE directive" and hopefully it will 
answer my question.

Richard Owlett wrote:

> Using *_ONLY_* information from his "Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:04:03 -0700" 
> post and spending approximately 10 minutes with Google I came up with 10 
> URL's of agencies/firms which would be able to answer ANY legitimate 
> question or be willing/able to "tell him where to go" 

Will you please show examples of those �10 URL's of agencies/firms�?

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>> Using *_ONLY_* information from his "Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:04:03 -0700" 
>> post and spending approximately 10 minutes with Google I came up with 
>> 10 URL's of agencies/firms which would be able to answer ANY 
>> legitimate question or be willing/able to "tell him where to go" 
> 
> 
> Will you please show examples of those �10 URL's of agencies/firms�?

If I could do it on *ONE* try using _ONLY_ info from *YOUR* post,

WHY CAN'T YOU???????????????????????????????????????

Don Bowey wrote:

   ...

> Your answer is here.....  Google for "tted directive"
> 
> Include the quote marks.

Typo. That's "tte directive".

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Richard Owlett wrote:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> Will someone please assist me in answering my questions in the below 
>>> thread?
>>
>>
>>   ...
>>
>> Where did you hear of your particular combination of letters? Isn't 
>> that a good place to start if you want to track down its meaning? You 
>> seem to have an idea that it's a kind of telephone service for people 
>> with a particular disability. That's pretty specific. What makes you 
>> think so?
>>
>> Jerry
> 
> Using *_ONLY_* information from his "Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:04:03 -0700" 
> post and spending approximately 10 minutes with Google I came up with 10 
> URL's of agencies/firms which would be able to answer ANY legitimate 
> question or be willing/able to "tell him where to go" [intentional 
> double entendre]. The majority of sources are either commercial or 
> governmental sites. Remainder appear to be charitable sites.
> 
> All he would probably need would be a cogent reason for asking.

My grandson has (had?) Asperger's. His mother, a neatnik, did for him 
everything that might be messy. When he was ten years old, She dropped 
dead while preparing supper as he watched. His grandmother -- we weren't 
yet married -- rushed to help pick up the pieces, and made him pancakes 
for breakfast at his request. He just sat and looked at them. It turned 
out that he was waiting for her to cut them up. She handed him a knife 
and his education began. I first met him when she brought him to our 
house a week later for a brief stay. His first act on walking through 
the door was to yank my beard and announce "It's real". He had a lot of 
things to learn.

He's a senior in college now, and has been living on his own for over 
three years. He's learned a lot. There's hope for Radium too if he 
doesn't get his pancaked cut up for him.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Don Bowey wrote:
> 
>> Your answer is here.....  Google for "tted directive"
>>
>> Include the quote marks.
> 
> Did exactly that.
> 
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tted+directive%22+&btnG=Google+Search 
> 
> 
> No results

Look, you dumb jerk. _Really look_. What did it say on that page of 
"nothing"? Was there a line that started "Did you mean ...."?

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/imgs/bart.gif



"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message 
news:9_idnX-GGuAQ52DbnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Don Bowey wrote:
>>
>>> Your answer is here.....  Google for "tted directive"
>>>
>>> Include the quote marks.
>>
>> Did exactly that.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tted+directive%22+&btnG=Google+Search 
>> No results
>
> Look, you dumb jerk. _Really look_. What did it say on that page of 
> "nothing"? Was there a line that started "Did you mean ...."?
>
> Jerry
> -- 
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ 

BobF wrote:
> http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/imgs/bart.gif

I'll see you and raise you one http://users.erols.com/jyavins/procfaq.htm

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Don Bowey wrote:

> You should not have stopped.
> 
> Google "tte directive" 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tte+directive%22+&btnG=Google+Search

Checked the 1st 10 pages. Absolutely nothing about EDTN!!!!

Checked EDTN with "tte directive" below

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=EDTN+&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=tte+directive&as_oq=&as_eq=edition&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

Absolutely nothing at all!!!!

I hate to be so rude and demanding but WTF is going on 
here??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

WTF don�t the websites about 
Telecommunications-Terminal-Equipment-Directive say
anything about 
EDTN????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Before I actually did a search on "tte directive", I was extremely 
optimistic and had a positive attitude that the search would tell me 
what EDTN stands for [in relation to TTYs], the technical specs about 
EDTN, and perhaps some EDTN numbers I could dial to listen to the 
desirable tones. I was so f---------------king wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Now I am extremely upset and 
disappointed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

None of those sites told me what EDTN stands 
for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network� but it doesn�t. 
My wish is way way way too good to ever be true. If EDTN stood for 
�European Deaf Telephone Network�, then that would make life way too 
easy!!!!!!!

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would have yielded the results I am looking for.

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would show a lot more information than just my previous posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would describe how EDTN works and provide me with EDTN numbers which I 
could dial so I could listen to EDTN tones from Switzerland!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, reality -- being the sick sadistic f--k it is -- decides 
otherwise. Sadly, EDTN does not stand for �European Deaf Telephone 
Network� when relating to textphone terminology.

So just WTF does EDTN stand for?

Also, WTF can I find EDTN phone numbers so I can dial them and listen to 
those frightening-yet-enjoyable EDTN tones from 
Switzerland??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!

I've never actually listened to EDTN tones but I'm 100% sure I'll enjoy 
it. I've listened to American TDD tones by dialing local TDD numbers.

Dial 1-800-543-1586 and you'll hear the American TDD tones I am talking 
about. This is an example of a TDD number used in the United States. I 
want to hear the Swiss-equivalent of TDD.

What modulation scheme does EDTN use? FSK? QAM? Something else? What?

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

> I've never actually listened to EDTN tones but I'm 100% sure I'll enjoy 
> it. I've listened to American TDD tones by dialing local TDD numbers.

I'll bet the National Federation for the Blind (or some other agency ) 
is just thrilled by your tying up a line while you get your tonal rocks 
off.

Why don't you get a pair of function generators and beat them together? 
Who knows...you just might find your personal nirvana noise.

Now go back in your k00klair and leave us alone.

On 9/28/07 1:28 PM, in article 46fd6158$0$7507$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> IanB wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:26:29 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
>> <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Specifically, where did you find
>>> that EDTN is �European Deaf Telephone Network�?
> 
>> I didn't.  The "Network" bit was in brackets because I meant, but
>> forgot, to put a question mark in there as well.
> 
> So, IOW, you don't know for sure that EDTN equates to �European Deaf
> Telephone Network�? I was afraid that would happen.
> 
> Whenever I've asked about EDTN [in relation to TDD], anyone who does
> give an answer does not seem to know whether it is 100% correct. So my
> suspicion was confirmed. !#%!$
> 
> Not trying to be a nuisance but I�m going crazy because of the
> difficulty in answering my question.
> 
> Anyways, I am going to read the "TTE directive" and hopefully it will
> answer my question.

And you need to know that not all terms are common to an industry, and may
be used by a single company in their literature..

Don Bowey wrote 
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/f1a617da64d1eaa7 :

> Google "tte directive" 

The TTED is a piece of stinky human kakaa which stinks like the stinky 
thick, foamy, tickly, itchy, hissy, sticky, terrifying, disgusting, 
annoying diarrhea kakaa foam of a human who eats stale, fat-free cheddar 
cheese, rotten lentils, fig newtons, and farty cauliflower along with 
his/her kakaa.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tte+directive%22+&btnG=Google+Search

Checked the 1st 10 pages. Absolutely nothing about EDTN!!!!

Checked EDTN with "tte directive" below

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=EDTN+&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=tte+directive&as_oq=&as_eq=edition&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

Absolutely nothing at all!!!!

I hate to be so rude and demanding but WTF is going on 
here??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

WTF don�t the websites about 
Telecommunications-Terminal-Equipment-Directive say
anything about 
EDTN????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Before I actually did a search on "tte directive", I was extremely 
optimistic and had a positive attitude that the search would tell me 
what EDTN stands for [in relation to TTYs], the technical specs about 
EDTN, and perhaps some EDTN numbers I could dial to listen to the 
desirable tones. I was so f---------------king wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Now I am extremely upset and 
disappointed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

None of those sites told me what EDTN stands 
for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network� but it doesn�t. 
My wish is way way way too good to ever be true. If EDTN stood for 
�European Deaf Telephone Network�, then that would make life way too 
easy!!!!!!!

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would have yielded the results I am looking for.

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would show a lot more information than just my previous posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would describe how EDTN works and provide me with EDTN numbers which I 
could dial so I could listen to EDTN tones from Switzerland!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, reality -- being the sick sadistic f--k it is -- decides 
otherwise. Sadly, EDTN does not stand for �European Deaf Telephone 
Network� when relating to textphone terminology.

So just WTF does EDTN stand for?

Also, WTF can I find EDTN phone numbers so I can dial them and listen to 
those frightening-yet-enjoyable EDTN tones from 
Switzerland??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!

I've never actually listened to EDTN tones but I'm 100% sure I'll enjoy 
it. I've listened to American TDD tones by dialing local TDD numbers.

Dial 1-800-543-1586 and you'll hear the American TDD tones I am talking 
about. This is an example of a TDD number used in the United States. I 
want to hear the Swiss-equivalent of TDD.

What modulation scheme does EDTN use? FSK? QAM? Something else? What?

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

   ...

> The TTED is a piece of stinky human ...

You need to get those tantrums under control if you want to converse 
with adults.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Don Bowey wrote:
> On 9/28/07 1:28 PM, in article 46fd6158$0$7507$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>IanB wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:26:29 -0700, "Green Xenon [Radium]"
>>><glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Specifically, where did you find
>>>>that EDTN is �European Deaf Telephone Network�?
>>
>>>I didn't.  The "Network" bit was in brackets because I meant, but
>>>forgot, to put a question mark in there as well.
>>
>>So, IOW, you don't know for sure that EDTN equates to �European Deaf
>>Telephone Network�? I was afraid that would happen.
>>
>>Whenever I've asked about EDTN [in relation to TDD], anyone who does
>>give an answer does not seem to know whether it is 100% correct. So my
>>suspicion was confirmed. !#%!$
>>
>>Not trying to be a nuisance but I�m going crazy because of the
>>difficulty in answering my question.
>>
>>Anyways, I am going to read the "TTE directive" and hopefully it will
>>answer my question.
> 
> 
> And you need to know that not all terms are common to an industry, and may
> be used by a single company in their literature..
> 

Dude. I still haven't found out what EDTN means in terms of 
textphones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay. I still haven't found out what EDTN means in terms of 
textphones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The TTED is a piece of stinky human kakaa which stinks like the stinky 
thick, foamy, tickly, itchy, hissy, sticky, terrifying, disgusting, 
annoying diarrhea kakaa foam of a human who eats stale, fat-free cheddar 
cheese, rotten lentils, fig newtons, and farty cauliflower along with 
his/her kakaa.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22tte+directive%22+&btnG=Google+Search

Checked the 1st 10 pages. Absolutely nothing about EDTN!!!!

Checked EDTN with "tte directive" below

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=EDTN+&hl=en&num=10&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=tte+directive&as_oq=&as_eq=edition&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images

Absolutely nothing at all!!!!

I hate to be so rude and demanding but WTF is going on 
here??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

WTF don�t the websites about 
Telecommunications-Terminal-Equipment-Directive say
anything about 
EDTN????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Before I actually did a search on "tte directive", I was extremely 
optimistic and had a positive attitude that the search would tell me 
what EDTN stands for [in relation to TTYs], the technical specs about 
EDTN, and perhaps some EDTN numbers I could dial to listen to the 
desirable tones. I was so f---------------king wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Now I am extremely upset and 
disappointed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

None of those sites told me what EDTN stands 
for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wish EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network� but it doesn�t. 
My wish is way way way too good to ever be true. If EDTN stood for 
�European Deaf Telephone Network�, then that would make life way too 
easy!!!!!!!

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would have yielded the results I am looking for.

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would show a lot more information than just my previous posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btnG=Google+Search 
would describe how EDTN works and provide me with EDTN numbers which I 
could dial so I could listen to EDTN tones from Switzerland!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, reality -- being the sick sadistic f--k it is -- decides 
otherwise. Sadly, EDTN does not stand for �European Deaf Telephone 
Network� when relating to textphone terminology.

So just WTF does EDTN stand for?

Also, WTF can I find EDTN phone numbers so I can dial them and listen to 
those frightening-yet-enjoyable EDTN tones from 
Switzerland??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!

I've never actually listened to EDTN tones but I'm 100% sure I'll enjoy 
it. I've listened to American TDD tones by dialing local TDD numbers.

Dial 1-800-543-1586 and you'll hear the American TDD tones I am talking 
about. This is an example of a TDD number used in the United States. I 
want to hear the Swiss-equivalent of TDD.

What modulation scheme does EDTN use? FSK? QAM? Something else? What?

On 9/28/07 6:45 PM, in article 46fdabe3$0$7455$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btn
> G=Google+Search 
> would describe how EDTN works and provide me with EDTN numbers which I
> could dial so I could listen to EDTN tones from Switzerland!!!!!!!!!!

Why do you think that?  Just because you WANT it to do that for you, doesn't
mean it MUST or WILL.  If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.


> 
> Unfortunately, reality -- being the sick sadistic f--k it is -- decides
> otherwise. 

Reality is merely what it is where you recognize it.  It is neither good nor
bad, but may be perceived as either.

> Sadly, EDTN does not stand for �European Deaf Telephone
> Network� when relating to textphone terminology.

No, but I found a good reference to European Deaf Telephone (EDT).

> 
> So just WTF does EDTN stand for?
> 
> Also, WTF can I find EDTN phone numbers so I can dial them and listen to
> those frightening-yet-enjoyable EDTN tones from
> Switzerland??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!
> 
> I've never actually listened to EDTN tones but I'm 100% sure I'll enjoy
> it. I've listened to American TDD tones by dialing local TDD numbers.

Perhaps they are similar, or identical.

I hope you do not find any numbers.  You would be an insufferable pest.

> 
> Dial 1-800-543-1586 and you'll hear the American TDD tones I am talking
> about. This is an example of a TDD number used in the United States. I
> want to hear the Swiss-equivalent of TDD.

According to what I found, the Swiss use the ETN protocol of V.18.  Here is
a list you might want:

    �    Baudot @ 45.45 baud (U.S. TTYs)
    �    Baudot @ 50 baud (used in England, Australia, and some other
         countries; also known as "international" Baudot)
    �    V.21/text telephone version (used in Sweden, Norway, and Finland).
    �    DTMF (used in Denmark, Holland, and some other countries)
    �    EDT ("European Deaf Telephone," used in Germany, Austria,
         Switzerland, and several other countries)

> 
> What modulation scheme does EDTN use? FSK? QAM? Something else? What?

If you would apply yourself, you could know all.......

Maybe you should look for a terminal program that is compatible with the
protocols in the list.  Then you could listen to them all you wish.  Just
don't come back here asking us to find it for you.

Jerry Avins wrote:

> You need to get those tantrums under control if you want to converse 
> with adults.

Easy for you to say when you’re not frustrated and desperate for the 
correct answer.

On 9/28/07 7:48 PM, in article 46fdba85$0$15366$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> Don Bowey wrote:

And then you had a fit or three.......

(snip)

I don't respond well to tantrums.  If you won't help yourself, I won't do it
for you.

Shape-up or get lost.

Don Bowey wrote:

> On 9/28/07 6:45 PM, in article 46fdabe3$0$7455$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

>>If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search
>>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&btn
>>G=Google+Search 
>>would describe how EDTN works and provide me with EDTN numbers which I
>>could dial so I could listen to EDTN tones from Switzerland!!!!!!!!!!

> Why do you think that?  

Because usually it would. Not always but usually.

>>Sadly, EDTN does not stand for �European Deaf Telephone
>>Network� when relating to textphone terminology.

> No, but I found a good reference to European Deaf Telephone (EDT).

Thanks but I already know about EDT. What does EDTN stand for?

>>Dial 1-800-543-1586 and you'll hear the American TDD tones I am talking
>>about. This is an example of a TDD number used in the United States. I
>>want to hear the Swiss-equivalent of TDD.

> According to what I found, the Swiss use the ETN protocol of V.18.  Here is
> a list you might want:
> 
>     �    Baudot @ 45.45 baud (U.S. TTYs)
>     �    Baudot @ 50 baud (used in England, Australia, and some other
>          countries; also known as "international" Baudot)
>     �    V.21/text telephone version (used in Sweden, Norway, and Finland).
>     �    DTMF (used in Denmark, Holland, and some other countries)
>     �    EDT ("European Deaf Telephone," used in Germany, Austria,
>          Switzerland, and several other countries)

Thanks but I already knew all of the above. I would like to know what 
EDTN stands for. Why does a simple question have to get so complicated?

>>What modulation scheme does EDTN use? FSK? QAM? Something else? What?
> 
> 
> If you would apply yourself, you could know all.......
> 
> Maybe you should look for a terminal program that is compatible with the
> protocols in the list.  Then you could listen to them all you wish.  Just
> don't come back here asking us to find it for you.

I've tried asking www.madsci.org which always rejects my EDTN questions. 
I've also tried asking www.allexperts.com which often respond with "This 
is out of my expertise".

After doing my own toilsome research and even asking those so-called 
"experts", I am still not able to find what the EDTN acronym stands for.

This is why my posts are not so polite.

On 9/28/07 9:12 PM, in article 46fdce2c$0$32511$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:

> Don Bowey wrote:
> 
>> On 9/28/07 6:45 PM, in article 46fdabe3$0$7455$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
>> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> 
>>> If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&b
>>> tn
>>> G=Google+Search
>>> would describe how EDTN works and provide me with EDTN numbers which I
>>> could dial so I could listen to EDTN tones from Switzerland!!!!!!!!!!
> 
>> Why do you think that?
> 
> Because usually it would. Not always but usually.
> 
>>> Sadly, EDTN does not stand for �European Deaf Telephone
>>> Network� when relating to textphone terminology.
> 
>> No, but I found a good reference to European Deaf Telephone (EDT).
> 
> Thanks but I already know about EDT. What does EDTN stand for?
> 
>>> Dial 1-800-543-1586 and you'll hear the American TDD tones I am talking
>>> about. This is an example of a TDD number used in the United States. I
>>> want to hear the Swiss-equivalent of TDD.
> 
>> According to what I found, the Swiss use the ETN protocol of V.18.  Here is
>> a list you might want:
>> 
>>     �    Baudot @ 45.45 baud (U.S. TTYs)
>>     �    Baudot @ 50 baud (used in England, Australia, and some other
>>          countries; also known as "international" Baudot)
>>     �    V.21/text telephone version (used in Sweden, Norway, and Finland).
>>     �    DTMF (used in Denmark, Holland, and some other countries)
>>     �    EDT ("European Deaf Telephone," used in Germany, Austria,
>>          Switzerland, and several other countries)
> 
> Thanks but I already knew all of the above. I would like to know what
> EDTN stands for. Why does a simple question have to get so complicated?
> 
>>> What modulation scheme does EDTN use? FSK? QAM? Something else? What?

Why are you still asking this, when you now say all you want to know is the
meaning of EDTN?  You have been given the essential parts to know the
answers.

>> 
>> 
>> If you would apply yourself, you could know all.......
>> 
>> Maybe you should look for a terminal program that is compatible with the
>> protocols in the list.  Then you could listen to them all you wish.  Just
>> don't come back here asking us to find it for you.
> 
> I've tried asking www.madsci.org which always rejects my EDTN questions.
> I've also tried asking www.allexperts.com which often respond with "This
> is out of my expertise".
> 
> After doing my own toilsome research and even asking those so-called
> "experts", I am still not able to find what the EDTN acronym stands for.

Perhaps it is because you want the answer to be phrased a certain way, and
you are unwilling to see it in it's parts.

> 
> This is why my posts are not so polite.

That is a poor excuse.  I asked a doctor friend about AS.....  It should be
within your ability to control yourself better.  

Don Bowey wrote:
> On 9/28/07 9:12 PM, in article 46fdce2c$0$32511$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
> "Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Don Bowey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 9/28/07 6:45 PM, in article 46fdabe3$0$7455$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
>>>"Green Xenon [Radium]" <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>If EDTN stood for �European Deaf Telephone Network�, then my search
>>>>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22European+Deaf+Telephone+Network%22&b
>>>>tn
>>>>G=Google+Search
>>>>would describe how EDTN works and provide me with EDTN numbers which I
>>>>could dial so I could listen to EDTN tones from Switzerland!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>>Why do you think that?
>>
>>Because usually it would. Not always but usually.
>>
>>
>>>>Sadly, EDTN does not stand for �European Deaf Telephone
>>>>Network� when relating to textphone terminology.
>>
>>>No, but I found a good reference to European Deaf Telephone (EDT).
>>
>>Thanks but I already know about EDT. What does EDTN stand for?
>>
>>
>>>>Dial 1-800-543-1586 and you'll hear the American TDD tones I am talking
>>>>about. This is an example of a TDD number used in the United States. I
>>>>want to hear the Swiss-equivalent of TDD.
>>
>>>According to what I found, the Swiss use the ETN protocol of V.18.  Here is
>>>a list you might want:
>>>
>>>    �    Baudot @ 45.45 baud (U.S. TTYs)
>>>    �    Baudot @ 50 baud (used in England, Australia, and some other
>>>         countries; also known as "international" Baudot)
>>>    �    V.21/text telephone version (used in Sweden, Norway, and Finland).
>>>    �    DTMF (used in Denmark, Holland, and some other countries)
>>>    �    EDT ("European Deaf Telephone," used in Germany, Austria,
>>>         Switzerland, and several other countries)
>>
>>Thanks but I already knew all of the above. I would like to know what
>>EDTN stands for. Why does a simple question have to get so complicated?
>>
>>
>>>>What modulation scheme does EDTN use? FSK? QAM? Something else? What?


> Why are you still asking this, 

I am not.

> when you now say all you want to know is the
> meaning of EDTN?  You have been given the essential parts to know the
> answers.

No I haven't been given the essential parts.

>>>
>>>If you would apply yourself, you could know all.......
>>>
>>>Maybe you should look for a terminal program that is compatible with the
>>>protocols in the list.  Then you could listen to them all you wish.  Just
>>>don't come back here asking us to find it for you.
>>
>>I've tried asking www.madsci.org which always rejects my EDTN questions.
>>I've also tried asking www.allexperts.com which often respond with "This
>>is out of my expertise".
>>
>>After doing my own toilsome research and even asking those so-called
>>"experts", I am still not able to find what the EDTN acronym stands for.


> Perhaps it is because you want the answer to be phrased a certain way, and
> you are unwilling to see it in it's parts.

I strongly doubt that. I think the answer is there somewhere [1 out of 
10-the-power-10-billion places] but it is extremely difficult to find 
because there aren't enough sources to make this answer readily 
available. This due to the fact that I am one of the extremely small 
minorities of the human population who is actually-interested in EDTN. 
The majority simply don't care.

Or [and equally anger-causing for me], the EDTN is a company secret. 
Those sick f--ks who make up the company that designed EDTN want to keep 
EDTN classified so that no regular person knows about what it "codes" 
for or how it works.

I suspect it's probably something that company is going to keep secret 
from us. Sick f---scums.

Usually with protocols like EDTN -- where there isn't much info, I might 
suspect that someone [or a lot of someones] is/are attempting to cover 
up a type of technology.

I then get extremely curious angry and want to forcibly get information 
as to how what the EDTN stands for and how it works and possible EDTN 
phone numbers. I want to torture the designers -- into providing me the 
information. Its only human nature to want something you know you can't 
have.

I am so upset now that I want to find whoever designed EDTN and force 
them [at oxy-acetylene-blowtorch point] to provide me with information 
regarding what EDTN stands for [in relation to textphones], technical 
specs of EDTN, and EDTN phones numbers of Switzerland. If they refuse, 
I'd like to scorch their skins until they are white and foamy like the 
foam produce by heating Parmasen cheese to sizzling point.

>>This is why my posts are not so polite.
> 
> 
> That is a poor excuse.  I asked a doctor friend about AS.....  It should be
> within your ability to control yourself better.  

This ain't much -- if anything -- to do with AS. I was just in an 
extremely bad mood.

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:

   ...

> This is why my posts are not so polite.

Awww! Poor baby!

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Don Bowey wrote:

   ...

> That is a poor excuse.  I asked a doctor friend about AS.....  It should be
> within your ability to control yourself better.  

It should have been within my grandson's ability to cut up his own food 
at age ten. He had to be taught and shown that it was.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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