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From: Noah Friedman
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 03:19
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1993 03:19
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In article <1992Dec31.180958.22688@chance.gts.org> john@chance.gts.org (John R MacMillan) writes: >| Well, the historical reason this wasn't necessary/desirable/done is >|called finger. > >[...] > >| I regularly finger people, then look to see when my message was sent. >|Result? I know if it was read. > >Actually, finger has the same problem as many existing read receipts, >and return receipts: incorrect user expectation. > >Here Dave, a knowledgeable computer professional, arrives at a result >that is simply not true, because fingerd does not (and can not) know >if I have read my mail. And here's one possible reason why finger may not be reliable: depending on your backup method, the atime on spool files may be munged, and fingerd will think the file has been "read". True it has, but not by a user. :-) The latest version of GNU finger lets you customize what long output the fingerer sees on a per-user basis. So for me I've programmed it to look at the mtime on my personal inbox. As a matter of habit, when I incorporate new mail and save my inbox I usually read it right then and there. However, this still isn't a 100% reliable method. Really, the best way to find out if someone has read their mail is to ask in the mail message "please send me a reply when you've seen this" (and if they choose not to do this that's their business). All this nonsense about UA automated read-receipt replies is a waste of time. People seem to think computers are capable of solving all sorts of problems that they're not, particularly when human capriciousness comes into play.
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!yale!mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!ai-lab!life.ai.mit.edu!friedman From: friedman@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Noah Friedman) Newsgroups: comp.mail.headers,comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: Return-Receipt-To & forwarding... Date: 1 Jan 93 03:19:37 Organization: Free Software Foundation, 675 Mass Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <FRIEDMAN.93Jan1031937@nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu> References: <19921225.001@erik.naggum.no> <sdorner-271292095054@0.0.0.0> <davecb.725771350@yorku.ca> <1992Dec31.180958.22688@chance.gts.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: nutrimat.gnu.ai.mit.edu In-reply-to: john@chance.gts.org's message of 31 Dec 92 18:09:58 GMT