🚀 go-pugleaf

I bought 3 systems for our church and they have been
working great!!  We got a real good deal..

Tom DeWitt - St Matthew's Episcopal Church

Chris Gunn wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:38:30 -0600, cjt&trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>
> wrote:
> 

I didn't write ANY of what follows; the attribution is incorrect.



> >> Actually, it appears they've unknowningly picked up the widespread Happy99
> >> worm. It's not a virus, but a clever self-replicating program which
> >> attaches itself to email and Usenet postings without the user's knowledge
> >> (obviously.)
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> Drop by http://www.bizynet.com and click the HAPPY 1999 icon for details and
> how to get rid of the darned thing.
> 
> Thanks, Chris                        <http://www.bizynet.com>
> BIZynet Coordinator         <cgunn@bizynet.com  or  cgunn@laplaza.org>
> Co-Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.stolen,
> biz.marketplace.international, alt.business.import-export.only & others

In article <36d5765a.649132@news.flash.net>, nomorefromncc@my.address wrote:
 Well, you operate under a diferent set of moral values than I do.  When I go 
into a store and buy a video card, I expect to take it home and I expect it to 
work.
  What I don't expect is to be sold a known bad video card, that is NOT 
expected to work, and having to get in the car, drive all the way back, argue 
with the sales people, then get another video card, drive home, install into 
machine, and yup!  You guessed it....that one doesn't work either.
  This complacent sheep-like attitude of customers who go into stores with 
thier pants already down around thier ankles, a jar of vasoline in one hand 
and the other carrying a sign saying "please screw me good, I promise to not 
complain", is fostering the kind of quasi-criminal/dishonest business like 
this National computer.
  If you enjoy the type of business like Computer 1 and Way2Cheap, who take in 
computers for repair up to the day they declare bankruptcy, and sell your 
stuff so the owner can hurridly buy a giant house with lots of land, and then 
put it in his wife's name so the bankruptcy courts can't touch it, well, I 
have a short list of other "fine" establishments you might want to patronize, 
so you can save a little bit of money because you are "technically savvy".

  Now, to top it off, this crooked dimwit who runs the place can't even manage 
to run a virus-checking program, and emails viruses to his customers.

  What in the hell kind of excuse for this asshole are you going to come up 
with now?

>On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:45:46 -0600, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@io.com> wrote:
>
>I can't and won't speak for the honesty of lack thereof, but I CAN tell
>you the response I received from them was infected with a virus (yes,
>there was an attachment - no, we are not stupid enough to open it - our
>scannners caught it).  So, in my opinion, I am VERY leery of a computer
>company who sends prospects viruses.  They may or may not be honest, but
>I wonder about: 1) Knowledge, 2) Commitment to customer care.
>
>Just my .02
>
>>Hey, Joe -
>>
>>gee thanks for looking out for us, but I personally have purchased several
> items
>>from NCC, and have gotten great deals.  Yes, they are pulls and overstocks,
> but
>>you get what you pay for, right?  Whenever I've had a problem with a part, I
> just
>>take it back, and they're willing to credit me for the part.  I asked about,
> and
>>understood, the terms for returning items before I purchased.  No, it's not
> Best
>>Buy, but where else are you gonna get an Enlight ATX case for $25, a dual PII
> Asus
>>motherboard for $80, an IBM Ultrastar 4.3 gig ultra-wide SCSI drive for
> $100....
>>all have worked flawlessly for me.
>>
>>If you're technically savvy, NCC can be a great place for deals.
>>
>>Joe Blow wrote:
>>
>>> In article <36D5326F.C3EA2C94@texas.net>, Paul Heihn <phein@texas.net>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >FOR MORE INFO
>>> >PLEASE CONTACT PAUL HEIHN
>>> >AT NATIONAL COMPUTER CLEARINGHOUSE
>>>
>>>   These dishonest crooks are at it again.  They buy crap at auctions that
> are
>>> in big boxes marked "bad", then they sell them to you under the philosophy
>>> that maybe some of them work, but if they don't, you probably won't bother
>>> driving all the way back to return it.
>>>   Its worked fine so far for them, but hey!  If they are crooks and they
> spam,
>>> why would you do business with them?
>>
>

In article <7b4fn1$2jb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, 
Sanibelcomputerspham@hotmail.com says...
> In article <36d5765a.649132@news.flash.net>, nomorefromncc@my.address wrote:
>  Well, you operate under a diferent set of moral values than I do.  When I go 
> into a store and buy a video card, I expect to take it home and I expect it to 
> work.
>   What I don't expect is to be sold a known bad video card, that is NOT 
> expected to work, and having to get in the car, drive all the way back, argue 
> with the sales people, then get another video card, drive home, install into 
> machine, and yup!  You guessed it....that one doesn't work either.

Since when can a looser like you afford a video card? The only people who can 
afford such things are people with real jobs, instead of zit faced brats like 
you who just sit around on dad's computer attempting to promote your imature 
agenda, which is simply a hostility towards any company that does business via 
the usenet. All of your posts and the rest of your smelly butt-buddies in the 
UPP are just a pack of liars. You can not show any proof about all these claims 
of theft, credit card fraud, and other crimes.

I kind of picture you as having a low slopeing forehead, living in a dirty 
apartment in some college town with posters of Mao and Che'on walls, walking 
mumbling about how one day the workers will break their chains as you stand in 
front of McDonalds ranting about how the clown is a child molester.

Usenet is a great outlet for people who might other wise be institutionalized 
if they where out in public.

Do you go there the newspaper and call up people and harass them about about 
the prices in their classified ads?

Hey, Joe -

gee thanks for looking out for us, but I personally have purchased several items
from NCC, and have gotten great deals.  Yes, they are pulls and overstocks, but
you get what you pay for, right?  Whenever I've had a problem with a part, I just
take it back, and they're willing to credit me for the part.  I asked about, and
understood, the terms for returning items before I purchased.  No, it's not Best
Buy, but where else are you gonna get an Enlight ATX case for $25, a dual PII Asus
motherboard for $80, an IBM Ultrastar 4.3 gig ultra-wide SCSI drive for $100....
all have worked flawlessly for me.

If you're technically savvy, NCC can be a great place for deals.

Joe Blow wrote:

> In article <36D5326F.C3EA2C94@texas.net>, Paul Heihn <phein@texas.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >FOR MORE INFO
> >PLEASE CONTACT PAUL HEIHN
> >AT NATIONAL COMPUTER CLEARINGHOUSE
>
>   These dishonest crooks are at it again.  They buy crap at auctions that are
> in big boxes marked "bad", then they sell them to you under the philosophy
> that maybe some of them work, but if they don't, you probably won't bother
> driving all the way back to return it.
>   Its worked fine so far for them, but hey!  If they are crooks and they spam,
> why would you do business with them?

My company has been dealing with NCC for a while and have had no complaints
with the parts or the service.

Larry Algee
R & D Technologies, Inc.
www.rdti.com

Joe Blow wrote in message <7b24ld$3h4$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>In article <36D5326F.C3EA2C94@texas.net>, Paul Heihn <phein@texas.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>>FOR MORE INFO
>>PLEASE CONTACT PAUL HEIHN
>>AT NATIONAL COMPUTER CLEARINGHOUSE
>
>  These dishonest crooks are at it again.  They buy crap at auctions that
are
>in big boxes marked "bad", then they sell them to you under the philosophy
>that maybe some of them work, but if they don't, you probably won't bother
>driving all the way back to return it.
>  Its worked fine so far for them, but hey!  If they are crooks and they
spam,
>why would you do business with them?
>

On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:45:46 -0600, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@io.com> wrote:

I can't and won't speak for the honesty of lack thereof, but I CAN tell
you the response I received from them was infected with a virus (yes,
there was an attachment - no, we are not stupid enough to open it - our
scannners caught it).  So, in my opinion, I am VERY leery of a computer
company who sends prospects viruses.  They may or may not be honest, but
I wonder about: 1) Knowledge, 2) Commitment to customer care.

Just my .02

>Hey, Joe -
>
>gee thanks for looking out for us, but I personally have purchased several items
>from NCC, and have gotten great deals.  Yes, they are pulls and overstocks, but
>you get what you pay for, right?  Whenever I've had a problem with a part, I just
>take it back, and they're willing to credit me for the part.  I asked about, and
>understood, the terms for returning items before I purchased.  No, it's not Best
>Buy, but where else are you gonna get an Enlight ATX case for $25, a dual PII Asus
>motherboard for $80, an IBM Ultrastar 4.3 gig ultra-wide SCSI drive for $100....
>all have worked flawlessly for me.
>
>If you're technically savvy, NCC can be a great place for deals.
>
>Joe Blow wrote:
>
>> In article <36D5326F.C3EA2C94@texas.net>, Paul Heihn <phein@texas.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >FOR MORE INFO
>> >PLEASE CONTACT PAUL HEIHN
>> >AT NATIONAL COMPUTER CLEARINGHOUSE
>>
>>   These dishonest crooks are at it again.  They buy crap at auctions that are
>> in big boxes marked "bad", then they sell them to you under the philosophy
>> that maybe some of them work, but if they don't, you probably won't bother
>> driving all the way back to return it.
>>   Its worked fine so far for them, but hey!  If they are crooks and they spam,
>> why would you do business with them?
>

In article <36d5765a.649132@news.flash.net>, nomorefromncc@my.address wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:45:46 -0600, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@io.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't and won't speak for the honesty of lack thereof, but I CAN tell
> you the response I received from them was infected with a virus (yes,
> there was an attachment - no, we are not stupid enough to open it - our

Actually, it appears they've unknowningly picked up the widespread Happy99
worm. It's not a virus, but a clever self-replicating program which
attaches itself to email and Usenet postings without the user's knowledge
(obviously.) 

See: http://www.US.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for
identification and disinfecting instructions.

-s

-- 
Remove SPAMOFF_ to email.

Simon wrote:
> 
> In article <36d5765a.649132@news.flash.net>, nomorefromncc@my.address wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:45:46 -0600, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@io.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can't and won't speak for the honesty of lack thereof, but I CAN tell
> > you the response I received from them was infected with a virus (yes,
> > there was an attachment - no, we are not stupid enough to open it - our
> 
> Actually, it appears they've unknowningly picked up the widespread Happy99
> worm. It's not a virus, but a clever self-replicating program which
> attaches itself to email and Usenet postings without the user's knowledge
> (obviously.)
> 
> See: http://www.US.datafellows.com/news/pr/eng/19990129.htm for
> identification and disinfecting instructions.
> 
> -s
> 
> --
> Remove SPAMOFF_ to email.

FWIW, you might also watch out for Louis Moran
<ltemplar@worldnet.att.net> who posts to these newsgroups from time
to time, and who sent me an attachment called happy99.exe (I didn't
open it, so I have no idea whether it was benign or real) in response 
to an offer I made to him for some equipment he posted here.  Because
there was no text in the response -- just the attachment -- I think
it must have been deliberate.

Apparently he was unhappy with my offer, but it WAS legitimate ($5 for
an approximately 25 year old 10 MHz Heathkit oscilloscope).

In article <36D5326F.C3EA2C94@texas.net>, Paul Heihn <phein@texas.net> wrote:

>
>FOR MORE INFO
>PLEASE CONTACT PAUL HEIHN
>AT NATIONAL COMPUTER CLEARINGHOUSE

  These dishonest crooks are at it again.  They buy crap at auctions that are 
in big boxes marked "bad", then they sell them to you under the philosophy 
that maybe some of them work, but if they don't, you probably won't bother 
driving all the way back to return it.
  Its worked fine so far for them, but hey!  If they are crooks and they spam, 
why would you do business with them?

Spellcheck, anyone...

Carpet_Shark@hotmail.com wrote:
> 
> In article <7b4fn1$2jb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> Sanibelcomputerspham@hotmail.com says...
> > In article <36d5765a.649132@news.flash.net>, nomorefromncc@my.address wrote:
> >  Well, you operate under a diferent set of moral values than I do.  When I go
> > into a store and buy a video card, I expect to take it home and I expect it to
> > work.
> >   What I don't expect is to be sold a known bad video card, that is NOT
> > expected to work, and having to get in the car, drive all the way back, argue
> > with the sales people, then get another video card, drive home, install into
> > machine, and yup!  You guessed it....that one doesn't work either.
> 
> Since when can a looser like you afford a video card? The only people who can
> afford such things are people with real jobs, instead of zit faced brats like
> you who just sit around on dad's computer attempting to promote your imature
> agenda, which is simply a hostility towards any company that does business via
> the usenet. All of your posts and the rest of your smelly butt-buddies in the
> UPP are just a pack of liars. You can not show any proof about all these claims
> of theft, credit card fraud, and other crimes.
> 
> I kind of picture you as having a low slopeing forehead, living in a dirty
> apartment in some college town with posters of Mao and Che'on walls, walking
> mumbling about how one day the workers will break their chains as you stand in
> front of McDonalds ranting about how the clown is a child molester.
> 
> Usenet is a great outlet for people who might other wise be institutionalized
> if they where out in public.
> 
> Do you go there the newspaper and call up people and harass them about about
> the prices in their classified ads?

IF YOU HAVE A CONCERN PLEASE CALL THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU
THEY ARE MUCH MORE QUALIFIED TO CLARIFY ANY CONCERNS TO THE CONSUMER.
WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS SINCE 1987 AND HAVE RECEIVED TO MY KNOWLEDGE
0   COMPLAINTS


Paul Heihn wrote:

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> QTY 200 GATEWAY SOLO KEYBOARDS 85 KEY SL2X $ OFFER
> Qty 200 STB DVD DECODER CARDS LG Chromatic MPact II  SEMICON
> PCI        $20/OBO
> New Pulls Bulk  No Drivers/Man
> http://www.mpact.com/tech/index.html
>
> Qty 159 NETWORK: GENIUS ETH RJ45 TP GE2000III-TP ISA $3.00
> Intel PILA8461 PRO/100 + 10/100 PCI Bulk New Pulls No  Cables
> Qty 10        $30
> SMC9432TX 10/100 PCI New  Clear Plastic Pkg QTY 15 $35
>
> Kingmax ZV-DVD DANGLE              Qty 70  $OFFER
> PCMCIA adapter DONGLE   AUDIO VIDEO DOLBY S-VIDEO
> New Bulk             No Man/Drivers
>
> #9 1 MG PCI Video Cards  New Brown Box OEM DELL
> #9GXE64 Qty 50 $12 or upgraded to 2 mg  $24
>
> Qty 500  KOSS Head   HP 6 with external volume control New/Bulk  $1
> Qty 79     HDD Mounting Brackets 3.5"  New/with screws   $1
>
> Qty 46 Promise ULTRA 33 IDE controller cards  $3.00
> Qty 110 SYM2043  SCSI CNTRL: SYMBIOS EXT CNTRL $4.00
> Qty 74  VIDEO: STB 4MB UPGRADE MDL   $5.00
> Qty 24   KYBD: GW105K SPANISH Keyboards New $3.00
> Qty 25  KYBD: GW 105K NEWLOOK SPAN Keyboards New $3.00
>
> FOR MORE INFO
> PLEASE CONTACT PAUL HEIHN
> AT NATIONAL COMPUTER CLEARINGHOUSE
> 1.512.834.2226   X 211

On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:38:30 -0600, cjt&trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>
wrote:

>> Actually, it appears they've unknowningly picked up the widespread Happy99
>> worm. It's not a virus, but a clever self-replicating program which
>> attaches itself to email and Usenet postings without the user's knowledge
>> (obviously.)

Howdy,

Drop by http://www.bizynet.com and click the HAPPY 1999 icon for details and
how to get rid of the darned thing.

Thanks, Chris                        <http://www.bizynet.com>
BIZynet Coordinator         <cgunn@bizynet.com  or  cgunn@laplaza.org>
Co-Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.stolen,
biz.marketplace.international, alt.business.import-export.only & others

In article <MPG.113fe450a81ffafe9899d1@nntp.we.mediaone.net>, Carpet_Shark@hotmail.com wrote:
>In article <7b4fn1$2jb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, 
>Sanibelcomputerspham@hotmail.com says...
>> In article <36d5765a.649132@news.flash.net>, nomorefromncc@my.address wrote:
>>  Well, you operate under a diferent set of moral values than I do.  When I go
> 
>> into a store and buy a video card, I expect to take it home and I expect it
> to 
>> work.
>>   What I don't expect is to be sold a known bad video card, that is NOT 
>> expected to work, and having to get in the car, drive all the way back, argue
> 
>> with the sales people, then get another video card, drive home, install into 
>> machine, and yup!  You guessed it....that one doesn't work either.
>
>Since when can a looser like you afford a video card? The only people who can 
>afford such things are people with real jobs, instead of zit faced brats like 
>you who just sit around on dad's computer attempting to promote your imature 
>agenda, which is simply a hostility towards any company that does business via 
>the usenet. All of your posts and the rest of your smelly butt-buddies in the 
>UPP are just a pack of liars. You can not show any proof about all these claims
> 
>of theft, credit card fraud, and other crimes.
>
>I kind of picture you as having a low slopeing forehead, living in a dirty 
>apartment in some college town with posters of Mao and Che'on walls, walking 
>mumbling about how one day the workers will break their chains as you stand in 
>front of McDonalds ranting about how the clown is a child molester.
>
>Usenet is a great outlet for people who might other wise be institutionalized 
>if they where out in public.
>
>Do you go there the newspaper and call up people and harass them about about 
>the prices in their classified ads?

  Hmmm, not bad, not bad.  As far as rants go.   At least you made me smile.

  I like the "yellow toothed" lawyer aspersian better though.  :-)

On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:07:33 -0600, cjt&trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>
wrote:

>Chris Gunn wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:38:30 -0600, cjt&trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>
>I didn't write ANY of what follows; the attribution is incorrect.

Howdy,

That's okay.  Replies on the newsgroups are really aimed at responding to
everyone that's reading and posting.  I just happened to pick your message
to key into the discussion.

Chris                              <http://www.bizynet.com>
BIZynet Coordinator         <cgunn@bizynet.com  or  cgunn@laplaza.org>
Co-Moderator of biz.general, biz.marketplace.discussion, biz.stolen,
biz.marketplace.international, alt.business.import-export.only & others

In article <36D703FE.75706307@texas.net>, mick <misterob@texas.net> wrote:
>Spellcheck, anyone...
>
>Carpet_Shark@hotmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> In article <7b4fn1$2jb$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>> Sanibelcomputerspham@hotmail.com says...
>> > In article <36d5765a.649132@news.flash.net>, nomorefromncc@my.address
> wrote:
>> >  Well, you operate under a diferent set of moral values than I do.  When I
> go
>> > into a store and buy a video card, I expect to take it home and I expect it
> to
>> > work.
>> >   What I don't expect is to be sold a known bad video card, that is NOT
>> > expected to work, and having to get in the car, drive all the way back,
> argue
>> > with the sales people, then get another video card, drive home, install
> into
>> > machine, and yup!  You guessed it....that one doesn't work either.
>> 
>> Since when can a looser like you afford a video card? The only people who can
>> afford such things are people with real jobs, instead of zit faced brats like
>> you who just sit around on dad's computer attempting to promote your imature
>> agenda, which is simply a hostility towards any company that does business
> via
>> the usenet. All of your posts and the rest of your smelly butt-buddies in the
>> UPP are just a pack of liars. You can not show any proof about all these
> claims
>> of theft, credit card fraud, and other crimes.
>> 
>> I kind of picture you as having a low slopeing forehead, living in a dirty
>> apartment in some college town with posters of Mao and Che'on walls, walking
>> mumbling about how one day the workers will break their chains as you stand
> in
>> front of McDonalds ranting about how the clown is a child molester.
>> 
>> Usenet is a great outlet for people who might other wise be institutionalized
>> if they where out in public.
>> 
>> Do you go there the newspaper and call up people and harass them about about
>> the prices in their classified ads?

  Now THAT was a zinger of a comeback!