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You can't get Win95 to recognize Linux partition (I understand that 
you want to access a Linux ext2 filesystem in Windows). 

 I have heard of a OS/2 driver to read ext2 filesystems, but I don't think
there's anything for W95 or WNT. Those folks don't seem to care much about
Linux, and we don't care for them either :^)

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In article <32AEE081.18D4@erols.com>, Greg Howland  <gbh@erols.com> wrote:
>How do you set-up Win95 so that it will recognize
>a Linux partition, and how would I undo this setting?

You don't.  MS-Wind'95 has no software that will recognize any Linux-
native file system.

If you want to install a Linux system on an MS-Wind'95 system, you
should first back up and re-install the Wind system.  (Supposedly, the
version of FIPS that comes with a distribution containing Linux 2.*
would work on an MS-Wind'95 file system; but I tend to be antsy about
trusting such things.)  Before you re-format the disk, shorten the
MS-Wind'95 FAT partition to be (well) under 1024 cylinders long.  Then
install MS-Wind'95 on the smaller partition, and restore all of your
files.  DO NOT DO ANYTHING UNDER MS-WIND'95 WITH THE REST OF THE DISK.

When you install Linux on the disk, it will allow you to set up its own
partitions.  Use Linux 'fdisk' to set up Linux partitions.  Use MS
'fdisk' to set up MS partitions.  Be sure that the "root" partition for
Linux is entirely under the 1024-cylinder mark.

You will be able to mount MS-Wind'95 file systems, either as regular
MS-DOS file systems under Linux 1.*, or as MS-Wind'95 file systems
under Linux 2.*.

Be sure to install LILO or some other means of choosing to boot from
either Linux or Wind.

When it's time to undo this, if you should ever want to (and why would
one ever want to, except to completely eliminate the MS-Wind'95
partition?), first use 'lilo' or whatever else you've installed to
restore the MS-Wind'95 boot sector(s).  Then, use either Linux or MS
'fdisk' to remove the Linux partitions - but not running from your
Linux "root" partition!  Then back up your MS-Wind'95, re-partition and
re-format the disk, re-install MS-Wind'95 [not recommended ;-)], and
restore your MS-Wind'95 files.

Best of luck!

Joe Yao				jsdy@cais.com - Joseph S. D. Yao
-- 
Joe Yao				jsdy@cais.com - Joseph S. D. Yao

Joseph S. D. Yao wrote:
> 

> If you want to install a Linux system on an MS-Wind'95 system, you
> should first back up and re-install the Wind system.  (Supposedly, the
> version of FIPS that comes with a distribution containing Linux 2.*
> would work on an MS-Wind'95 file system; but I tend to be antsy about
> trusting such things.)  

FIPS worked fine for me. However, a backup of you data is suggest
before you use FIPS.... So if it fails you still can do it the way
Joseph suggested in his original post...

On 11 Dec 1996 23:10:07 GMT, jsdy@cais.cais.com (Joseph S. D. Yao)
wrote:

>In article <32AEE081.18D4@erols.com>, Greg Howland  <gbh@erols.com> wrote:
>>How do you set-up Win95 so that it will recognize
>>a Linux partition, and how would I undo this setting?
>
>You don't.  MS-Wind'95 has no software that will recognize any Linux-
>native file system.
>

Yeah, but it's doable.  My programming isn't good enough, but you
could do a Win95 Installable File System to give complete support for
ext2.

SOMEWHERE, there is a little util that gives read-only pseudo access
to linux partitions.  It's in the SunSITE tree somewhere.  You need to
use special commands, but you can copy files from and traverse
directories on an ext2 partition.

>If you want to install a Linux system on an MS-Wind'95 system, you
>should first back up and re-install the Wind system.  (Supposedly, the
>version of FIPS that comes with a distribution containing Linux 2.*
>would work on an MS-Wind'95 file system; but I tend to be antsy about

There's not problem here what-so-ever!  VFAT is exactly like FAT
except for a few screwball hidden files that hold the LFN and other
stuff.  FIPS will work fine as long as you're not using some disk util
(Like Norton) that puts some kind of mirror info on the last sector of
the disk.  That's all described in the mirror info, I think.
Basically, defrag, start in DOS, blow away the mirror thing, FIPS.
Norton may have a fit the next time you start winblows, but no damage
will be done.

>trusting such things.)  Before you re-format the disk, shorten the
>MS-Wind'95 FAT partition to be (well) under 1024 cylinders long.  Then
>install MS-Wind'95 on the smaller partition, and restore all of your
>files.  DO NOT DO ANYTHING UNDER MS-WIND'95 WITH THE REST OF THE DISK.


Later,
Zac Bedell

Przemek Klosowski (przemek@rrdjazz.nist.gov) wrote:
: You can't get Win95 to recognize Linux partition (I understand that 
: you want to access a Linux ext2 filesystem in Windows). 
: 
:  I have heard of a OS/2 driver to read ext2 filesystems, but I don't think
: there's anything for W95 or WNT. Those folks don't seem to care much about
: Linux, and we don't care for them either :^)

Actually, I have seen drivers for DOS that will allow reading of ext2
filesystems.  Dunno if they run under 95 or NT (since I run neither).

Check out ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Filesystems/ext2/lread10.zip

Cheers,
Ryan Younce

On 11 Dec 1996 23:10:07 GMT, jsdy@cais.cais.com (Joseph S. D. Yao) wrote:

>In article <32AEE081.18D4@erols.com>, Greg Howland  <gbh@erols.com> wrote:
>>How do you set-up Win95 so that it will recognize
>>a Linux partition, and how would I undo this setting?
>
>You don't.  MS-Wind'95 has no software that will recognize any Linux-
>native file system.
>
>If you want to install a Linux system on an MS-Wind'95 system, you
>should first back up and re-install the Wind system.  (Supposedly, the
>version of FIPS that comes with a distribution containing Linux 2.*
>would work on an MS-Wind'95 file system; but I tend to be antsy about
>trusting such things.)  Before you re-format the disk, shorten the
>MS-Wind'95 FAT partition to be (well) under 1024 cylinders long.  Then
>install MS-Wind'95 on the smaller partition, and restore all of your
>files.  DO NOT DO ANYTHING UNDER MS-WIND'95 WITH THE REST OF THE DISK.

Or spend a couple of dollars and not work so hard...
Both Partition Magic and Partition-It (from QEMM) will do the job without all
the fuss.

>When you install Linux on the disk, it will allow you to set up its own
>partitions.  Use Linux 'fdisk' to set up Linux partitions.  Use MS
>'fdisk' to set up MS partitions.  Be sure that the "root" partition for
>Linux is entirely under the 1024-cylinder mark.
>
>You will be able to mount MS-Wind'95 file systems, either as regular
>MS-DOS file systems under Linux 1.*, or as MS-Wind'95 file systems
>under Linux 2.*.
>
>Be sure to install LILO or some other means of choosing to boot from
>either Linux or Wind.

Such as System Commander.



Peter Mikalajunas
kd9fb@xnet.com
http://www.xnet.com/~kd9fb

In <54wwupq77s.fsf@rrdjazz.nist.gov>, Przemek Klosowski <przemek@rrdjazz.nist.gov> writes:
>You can't get Win95 to recognize Linux partition (I understand that 
>you want to access a Linux ext2 filesystem in Windows). 
>
> I have heard of a OS/2 driver to read ext2 filesystems, but I don't think
>there's anything for W95 or WNT. Those folks don't seem to care much about
>Linux, and we don't care for them either :^)

Linux Journal had a one-pager on a DOS ext2 driver, so don't be so sure...
I would not recommend such a beast because it accesses the ext2 data with
the equivalent of root access, so one bad "ActiveX Control" could destroy all
your data, including Linux. 

Active, cos it doesn't ask your permission before specific acts
Control, because it can control your whole PC
X, because there's a huge unkown variable: level of hostility

Follow-ups trimmed to comp.os.linux.setup :-)

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Greg Howland <gbh@erols.com> wrote:

>How do you set-up Win95 so that it will recognize
>a Linux partition, and how would I undo this setting?
>
>--Greg

Sure there is a way, sort of.

Look for a file called 'ext2tool.zip' on a Sunsite mirror.  It allows
you to ls, cat, cp and translate Linux text files to DOS text from DOS
(or DOS box in Win95).  Comes in real handy for getting at your Linux
configuration files when you are trying to get help or answer a Linux
question from your Win95 newsreader.

It will not write to Linux, but you can always cp files the other way
with the Win95 drive mounted as vfat in Linux.

If you can't find ext2tool.zip I could email it to you (281K).


David Efflandt/Elgin, IL USA
efflandt@xnet.com    http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/

In <58shbs$1ut@nef.ens.fr>, guillaum@allege.ens.fr (Florent Guillaume) writes:
>In article <32b2868f.79162799@news.alt.net>,
>Zachary Bedell <aramis@capital.net> wrote:
>> >You don't.  MS-Wind'95 has no software that will recognize any Linux-
>> >native file system.
>> 
>> Yeah, but it's doable.  My programming isn't good enough, but you
>> could do a Win95 Installable File System to give complete support for
>> ext2.
>
>I'd start to do it immediately if I could get some documentation about
>IFS and Win95 drivers...  Unfortunately this seems to be only available
>to subscribers of the MSDN, which cost money.
>
>Anyone has some documentation ?

No, but here's a Feature Request:

I think all such software should insist on being given the address for the
/and ought to know about /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow, and any
nifty PAM stuff that creeps up. When you want to attach to _any_ ext2 part
it ought to prompt for username/passwd and verify this before mount. After
mount it should only allow access that that user would have under Linux.
Hopefully it would allow mounting non-root parts also, e.g. mount /home as
"peterw", and not mount / at all so I can use my Linux files under the
hostile OS, whether NT, OS/2, 95, or whatever.

These fs drivers only make me wish even more that the whole blasted 
filespace was encrypted somehow. The simplest way to do this would 
then make it difficult to boot/reboot without a pass phrase... any thoughts?

-Peter

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NOOOBODY@clark DOTT net   (PeterW att clark .net) said:
> 
> guillaum@allege.ens.fr (Florent Guillaume) writes:
> >In article <32b2868f.79162799@news.alt.net>,
> >Zachary Bedell <aramis@capital.net> wrote:
> >> >You don't.  MS-Wind'95 has no software that will recognize any Linux-
> >> >native file system.
> >> 
> >> Yeah, but it's doable.  My programming isn't good enough, but you
> >> could do a Win95 Installable File System to give complete support for
> >> ext2.
> >
> >I'd start to do it immediately if I could get some documentation about
> >IFS and Win95 drivers...  Unfortunately this seems to be only available
> >to subscribers of the MSDN, which cost money.
> >
> >Anyone has some documentation ?
> 
> No, but here's a Feature Request:
> 
> I think all such software should insist on being given the address for the
> /and ought to know about /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow, and any
> nifty PAM stuff that creeps up. When you want to attach to _any_ ext2 part
> it ought to prompt for username/passwd and verify this before mount. After
> mount it should only allow access that that user would have under Linux.
> Hopefully it would allow mounting non-root parts also, e.g. mount /home as
> "peterw", and not mount / at all so I can use my Linux files under the
> hostile OS, whether NT, OS/2, 95, or whatever.
> 
> These fs drivers only make me wish even more that the whole blasted 
> filespace was encrypted somehow. The simplest way to do this would 
> then make it difficult to boot/reboot without a pass phrase... any thoughts?

There is not much of a point in making secure fs drivers for nonsecure
OSs (DOS, OS/2, Windoze^H^Hws 95, whatever).  It is a simple matter to
get to the physical disk, and do whatever is needed there.  The best
(IMHO) method to secure a Linux computer from these OSs is:

A - don't tell LILO about any DOS drives
B - disable floppy boot in the CMOS
C - put on a BIOS setup password
D - disable the power switch/reset button, just in case
E - physically secure the machine (to make sure no one
    disconnects the CMOS battery, or unplugs the machine)

On the system I run, I have done all but E.  I would do that, but
the lock on the machine (which blocks off the FD from physical
access, and tries to keep the case from being removed) is not very
effective.  It is also kind of hard to keep something from having
power cut, especially when the shunt trip (BRS) for the room is
easily accessible.

I know that a BIOS boot password would be even better, but this
is a networked server, which should come back up without manual
intervention should their be a blackout (can't afford a UPS)

The moral of this message is, your security is *completely* blown
of someone can run an unsecure OS on your system.  Be careful.
They *are* all out to get you  :)
-- 
-Neil Moore          http://www.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us/~amethyst
(finger amethyst@valjean.sfhs.floyd.k12.ky.us for my Geek Code)